" I think you'll find murdering scores of innocent people with a military grade weapon is about as filthy as it gets, sunshine. "
In his ideology, they are NOT innocent. As countless imams in the mushrooming Saudi supported mosques in Western countries will confirm. So, that argument falls on deaf ears.
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" however if a Christian preacher starts saying he wants to kill homosexuals I think that the relevant church should be watched. "
Of course they should, if that actually happened.. And it is a safe bet that the same posters here who loudly protest against monitoring radical mosques would have no problem with that. In the same way they have no problem with monitoring gun owners.
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" This change the Muslim to Jew meme doesn't work. Jews were not suicide bombing, killing "infidel", throwing gays or Christians off of roofsYu for their beliefs and lifestyles. "
Exactly. It is totally upside down and demonstrates astonishing ignorance, considering that e.g. Yussuf Al Qaradawi, the main cleric of the Muslim Brotherhood (and the force behind CAIR and similar organizations), is calling for Muslims to complete the holocaust. The liberal posters here might want to to some background reading.
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" do not think Trump should be the next U.S. President and I am not a fan of his, but he is partially right when recommending surveillance on mosques. It should be couched with the caveat that mosques where it is know hate preaching occurs (such as occurred at the Mosque in Orlando - when the UK Imam preached homosexuals should be killed) then surveillance will occur. "
This is a broader problem for our societies. If there is poltical speech that is unacceptable, it should be unacceptable everywhere and not be allowed to sail under the radar of "religion". The Western noble idea of "religious freedom" is based on the concept that religions are non-political. It is not fit to deal with a radical political movement with a religious veneer like fundamentalist islam. Islamist leaders are quite open about how they exploit the Western system and laugh about it.
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" I suspect that mosques are already being monitored, "
Under the Obama admin with its CAIR affiliated advisors? The one that refuses to acknowledge that radical islam even exists? Do you have a source for that? Please surprise us.
" Don the con "
I think I can see the reason for Don the Con`s increasing popularity right here on this board. An increasing number of people are waking up and want to see someone in politics who recognizes the real problems and addresses them, instead of claiming they dont exist.
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" Trump's, and anyone who supports the idea that anyone from the ME needs to be profiled, and mosques surveilled. In fact, don't you think all churches should be surveilled? "
No, because there is no record of Christian jihadist terrorism. If there was, then of course we should. That is also why Aum Shinrikyo is outlawed in Japan and its successor Aleph is monitored. While the (equally nutty, but harmles) Kofoku Kagaku is not.
Where does this curious concept come from that ideas do not matter? Especially since the same people who claim that typically turn around complain strongly about ideas that they dont like? If ideas do not matter, then surely it does not matter who is your next president either?
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" As I've repeatedly said, bombing countries and killing innocents only creates more enemies, it doesn't reduce them. This guy is proof of that. It's just that this time the Americans are noticing, since the retaliation was at home and not in some distant place that people couldn't even find on a map. "
...but you have also been telliing us that the guy was American. So what is the logic here? He is "American" when you are blaming American gun laws, and the same guy is Afghani when you are blaming American foreign policy?
Logical disconnect anyone?
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Looks like the authorities and the apologists are running with the "mental disorder" excuse. Anything, but to address the ideology of Jihad.
While the Jihadis are quite clear about what motivates them, the politically correct crowd is determined to remain in their phantasy world.
The next jihadi attack is not far away... lets what the excuse will be. Mental problem, workplace incident, GW Bush, Israel, racism.... whatever strawman they can find.
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" All of these murders, around the world, call it terrorism or call it freedom fighters, goes back to 911, the instance where a cabal organized an attack on their own people to further their hegemonic plans. "
Actually, no. There were plenty of islamic terror attacks prior to 9/11, including one on..... drum rolll.... the WTC itself, in 1993, while Clinton was president. Was that also a government cabale? Organized by Clintons friends perhaps??
Really now, the idea that in the middle of a wave of islamist terror attacks some government would go to byzantine lengths to simulate yet ONE MORE islamist error attacks needs a lot of social smokes to sound plausible.
Can we please do without the tinfoil hat stuff? There are enough real conspiracies out there to invent yet another one.
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" s it really surprising this guy was a democrat? With Trump bleating on about banning Muslims, "
Didn´t another poster from the regressive left just claim that the shooter "behaved like a Trump supporter"? You guys should really align your talking points...
And of course, you as well as I do how the press would run with it if they had found he was a rep party member. We would not hear the end of it.
Actually, I find it quite silly that the US partisans turn this into a US party tirade onece again. Fact is, both US parties have been disastrously wrong in their Mideast policy for many years.
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" Obama should also be angry and recognize that there is in fact a "radical islam." He's pro LGBT right? (like every other lib) Is a gay or transgender's life less than a other victims from radical islam's violence? "
Actually, it is zero. Homosexuality is punished by death in all Sharia countries. The concept of "transgender rights" -- well, good luck explaining that anywhere in the islamic world.
The shooter acted completely in line with Shariah. In fact, the high level of visual homosexuality in Western countries is routinely cited by islamic clerics as one of the signs that our free society are decadent and in violation of gods will.
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" Because he refuses to allow masses of islamic refugees into the US they way Canada, Germany, UK and Sweden have. "
Canada really does not belong on that group (yet?). Canada has admitted 35,000 "refugees" last year, to reach Merkels German figure, adjusted for population size, you would have to make that 700,000. Ditto for Sweden. Plus the Canadians have the luxury of selecting families, while the uncontrolled flood reaching Germany and Sweden consist almost exclusiveyly of young men (meaning that for each one of them, multiple family members are waiting in the wings.
If I was Canadian, I would count my blessings...
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" No, I'm afraid you don't understand how this works. You made the claim that "Islam does produce murderous fanatics at an alarming rate." It is your responsibility to provide evidence for that claim. "
THat is not an extreme claim. Just look at the number of islamic terrorist attacks around the world. There is no other ideology or religion that has a similar record. In fact, I don´t you can name any country with a significant muslim population that does NOT have its own radical islamist group, from Nigeria to Kenia to Chechnia to Bosnia to India to the Philippines, to Thailand, to China to Indonesia.... seriously, you are unaware of that fact, and of all the islamist clerics calling for jihad? That is pretty mind-boggling.
" Christians can be extremely dangerous to members of the LGBT community. We have a long list of real-world examples proving that. Shall we demonize Christians? "
Christians are famous for dong things like refusing to bake gay wedding cakes, and the media throw hysterical fits about that. Are you seriously putting that in the same class as mass murder??
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" For international readers, who reference the cited article: "Donald Trump Is a Bigot and a Racist", they will read the specific and detailed promotion of racism and prejudice Donald J. Trump built a campaign of Hate on. "
I read your referenced article, and I do not see any evidence for your claims that a) Trump has been on a 5 year campaign "racism" or b) that he is particular interested in "birther" issue.
How about doing some fact-checking before making grand claims?
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" You don't hear about anything happening in the Detroit area because the Muslims there are capitalists and family people first, there religion comes second, "
I take your word for it. Except what happens, when they start putting their religion first? And with open-ended Saudi support for radical mosques, that happens to an increasing degree.
Note that 99% of Afghani immigrants, including this shooter, support Shariah law: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/12/afghanistan-migration-surging-america-99-support-sharia-law/
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" The anti-Islam side would have you believe that Muslims are somehow inherently dangerous, "
....and the regressive Left would have you believe that Republicans are somehow inherently dangerous.
How about looking in the mirror and checking your own argument? Either people`s beliefs matter, or they do not. In case of Republicans (or NRA members, or any other of your pet hate groups), you completely insist that beliefs matter. You disagree with the belief, so you have no problem condemning the believers.
But for islam, which demands that homosexuality and apoostesy is punished by death, somehow beliefs do not matter. Somehow the content of the belief system is irrelevant now.
What is it with the double standards?
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It is interesting to see how toned-down this article is. Can you imagine if the shooter had been a registered Trump supporter? The press brouhaha would be spectacle to behold.
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" Trying to map this onto US politics is a bit absurd. "
I´d abbreviate that to "US politics is a bit absurd"... ::)
Still, the mapping to me would be that US politicians who wants at least temporary stop on islamic immigration until reasonable background checks are assured, plus the status of islamic law within the Western legal system is clarified would be preferrable to me to one who wants to open the flood gates, Merkel style,
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" Yes, because that "hiatus" will certainly do something about the 8.5 million Muslims already living in the US. We need to make them all wear badges, and maybe put them in camps. "
Nobody is talking about "camps", but to copy Europes unlimited, uncontrolled mass immigration (which Hillary and Obama want to) is insanity. And yes, it is necessary to address the ideology of radical islam. It is pretty ironic that you go into hysterical fits about the ideology of Trump, yet at the same time you declare that islamic ideology is irrelevant.
Well, either peoples beliefs matter or they don´t matter. You can´t have it both ways.
" Two Muslim terror attacks "
Two? What kind of math is that? Referring t what time span?
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" merica is sick with gun violence (among other things) and Trump, "
Omar Pateen was wearing a suicide west too, so he could have achieved the same death toll quite without guns, thank you. And Trump has called for hiatus on out-of-control islamic immigrationg, so it seems to me he is addressing the issue, while you trot out a us party strawman.
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" No Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. It was Afghanistan so go after them. It's true sadam Hussein was a bad person but he had nothing to do with 9/11. "
Confusion very much? It was not "Afghanistan" that that hatched 9/11, but the group of Saudi Jihdis led by Bin Ladin, which had emerged as the de-facto government of Afghanistan. And yes, they were all Saudis, as were most of the 9/11 higjackers.
And why bring up Saddam Hussein, Nobody ever claimed he was involved with 9/11. THe issue with him was his annexation of Kuweit, which the Saudis and ther American helpers could not accept.
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Great to so see she remains that hot at 42. Hubby must be happy.
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" I have a sincere question. Who do you think would stack up the most corpses as a result of foreign policy decisions Clinton or Trump? "
Clinton, hands down. That alone would determine my vote, if I was American.
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" racism and discrimination still exist for certain segments of society. That Trump is susceptible to these prejudices "
This "racism" accusation if funny. in this case... havent the media been telling us for months that all the Mexicans hate Trump? And now they are all up in arms because he suggests that one Mexican hates him.
So which is it, media believers.... do the Mexicans hate him, or not? Seems to me he is just taking you by your word.
(And by the way, the judge in question is an activist for "la razza", meaning "the race", so what do you make of that ?)
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" He criticizes it because it is from the conservative party with sole-sourced. Yet, his own party is doing the same thing with the super hornet purchase. "
The Super Hornet is only fraction of the cost of the F35 and proven technology, not an open-ended bondoogle with an ever increasing price tag and and development delay. So, hardly the "same thing".
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" A Tennessee man who sold his three daughters to a man who raped them and used them in child pornography has been sentenced to life in prison. "
Wow, that is just beyond words. Life in prison is way to lenient for this guy. I hope at least the fellow inmates know what he is in for.
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Interestingly, both US parties have non-.establishment candidates this time who try to shake up the rigged system. I hope one them wins.
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