Smashed hotel room, narcotics found as Liam Payne death probe unfolds

Yet another psychiatric failure. How sad. He had been in therapy to deal with mental health issues and rehab to deal with his drug and alcohol issues. It wasn't very effective, was it?

Don’t do drugs, children.

Not a surprise, never a surprise..

It looks like he lost it for many reasons including drugs and alcohol. It was a sad ending to his young life.

Not a surprise, never a surprise..

So you know who he is now?

“Not a surprise, never a surprise”

You claimed not to know who he was yesterday, yet today it comes as no surprise to you?

BertieWoosterToday  07:00 am JST

Yet another psychiatric failure. How sad. He had been in therapy to deal with mental health issues and rehab to deal with his drug and alcohol issues. It wasn't very effective, was it?

At some point the individual needs to do their part as part of the treatment. Blaming psychiatry and saying it wasn't effective is an ignorant assumption. This guy was wealthy and could afford the best mental health specialists and rehab centres. Compare that to many who can't afford such services. He's no victim.

When you get bands like One Direction, who were cynically manufactured by Simon Cowell et al. and hyped into the stratosphere - while having nowhere near the requisite talent to back it up - this kind of thing is always a possibility. Seems great when you're having number one hits and so on, but once the almost-inevitable fallout starts and you realise that you were being used to make money for record company people, the mental whiplash must be pretty harsh.

A grim reminder of the phrase "be careful what you wish for".

When you get bands like One Direction, who were cynically manufactured by Simon Cowell et al. and hyped into the stratosphere - while having nowhere near the requisite talent to back it up - this kind of thing is always a possibility

The highly musically sophisticated types who like ‘real’ music would also be aware that plenty of ‘real’ musicians with ‘actual talent’ died young with substance abuse involved.

I don’t think this is restricted to the types those with highly sophisticated musical sensibilities don’t like.

The highly musically sophisticated types who like ‘real’ music would also be aware that plenty of ‘real’ musicians with ‘actual talent’ died young with substance abuse involved.

Sure. Those musicians evidently had inherently self-destructive tendencies. Not the same thing as realising that you were only hired to tick the boxes for a boy band to appeal to as many people - ok, young women - as possible.

This isn't about musical "sophistication". It's about the incredibly cynical way in which modern music is "discovered".

A really sad story, leaving a seven year old son, among others, to make sense of this tragedy.

Addiction is a powerful sickness. Not all can be freed from it nor even recover from its sick clutches.

There is no one to blame.

Yet another psychiatric failure. How sad. He had been in therapy to deal with mental health issues and rehab to deal with his drug and alcohol issues. It wasn't very effective, was it?

Well what do you suggest? Don't bother seeking help when struggling with drugs and alcohol? Therapy is far from always effective - especially if one chooses to keep taking mind-altering substances they cannot handle.

The responsibility is always on the user.

I feel very sorry for his young boy, mostly.

His wealth was about $70 million. Had everything to live for but rode a dark horse instead.

Depression / mental illness doesn’t care how much money you have.

Stewart GaleToday  05:46 pm JST

Depression / mental illness doesn’t care how much money you have.

You don't think that money makes access available to better mental health specialists and rehab centers? How many homeless who often have mental health or addiction problems have that kind of access? Reason not? No money.

Milesteg,

This guy was wealthy and could afford the best mental health specialists and rehab centres.

And they failed. And they were the best?

In my mind, best means effective.

There are two standard excuses psychs push - a) it was his fault, b) it's very sad, but we got there too late.

A mechanic can fix a car. But can a mental health "expert" fix a mind?

There are two standard excuses psychs push - a) it was his fault, b) it's very sad, but we got there too late.

A mechanic can fix a car. But can a mental health "expert" fix a mind?

Are you seriously equating "fixing a car" to assessing and trying to treat complex psychological issues?

The human brain is at least a billion times more complex than a car.

I have a suspicion you have studied very little on the subject of psychology.

It's a tragic loss for his family.

Could he have been helped. I don't know.

The pressure he had being in a successful boy band is nothing we can imagine.

You can't do anything normal.

Especially in the days of camera phones.

Very hard to be grounded and sensible.

I doubt I could.

Like Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, countless others.

Some people will call him a loser, some will have dignity and just feel sad for a wasted life.

I just feel his circumstances overwhelmed him.

Life goes on. When we all die some will mourn some will try and equate their existence by saying mean things

i just feel his circumstances overwhelmed him

reports say that he was dropped from his record label just a couple of days before...

Fighto,

Are you seriously equating "fixing a car" to assessing and trying to treat complex psychological issues?

Yes.

Anyone who claims to be an expert in anything should be able to get results. An expert painter can paint. An expert pianist can play the piano. A mental health "expert" can classify and talk for hours about conditions, but can only get results sometimes. Things only look complicated when they are poorly understood.