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sakurasuki
US already has ChatGpt, LLAMA
China already has DeepSeek, Qwen
UAE already has Falcon
French already has Mistral
Japan only has concern, unnecessary regulation on AI, that just Japan.
kibousha
Control AI, control current narrative, control history, control future.
bo
After 3 years of meetings and scratching of heads ,they might come up with something , but don't hold your breath!
Namahage
Have had AI buttonon my fax machine for years.
Add Ink.
Eat the left
Step one: exit Showa
dbsaiya
Japan already has many proprietary corporate use AI platforms but nothing in the field of an open, large scale AI chatbot. Ishiba said, "We need to create a basic plan....." Way behind the curve already. China with the introduction of DeepSeek, the EU and the U,S. are way ahead and I don't know if Japan will ever be able to catch up; at least as long as the Showa faxoids continue to rule.
BertieWooster
Japan and computers, one step behind, as always.
isabelle
This neglects to mention that DeepSeek ripped off ChatGPT in order to do so. China stealing things, as usual.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt
DeepSeek is useless to anyone outside CCP fantasy land. All the usual crap is in there: very specific lies on things like the Senkakus, but total silence on things like the Tiananmen Massacre, Uyghur Genocide, Winnie the Pooh, etc.:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/01/27/does-deepseek-censor-its-answers-we-asked-5-questions-on-sensitive-china-topics/
And, of course, comedy classics like "unswervingly support the party’s leadership, and promote socialist modernization:"
https://thediplomat.com/2025/01/why-deepseek-presents-serious-problems-for-china-researchers/
diagonalslip
as dbsaiya notes above "Way behind the curve already."
also, I believe that it's not necessary to "promote" but rather to allow..... that's to say, get away from the government SOP of interfering with everything. but of course, no government, here or anywhere, is going to keep their nose out of things.
justsomeguy8008
In Japan they have Sakana AI that is doing great work in the research field of AI, and there is also another that is trying its hand at a chatbot but no app just a desktop platform. I am honestly kinda surprised that japan isn't doing more with robots.
Sven Asai
It's impossible to use in practice, because the AI output results are often wrong , random or even hallucinated. The currently best model has for example a GPQA of 87.7%. That means one has to check and verify every single output. So even if somehow trusted and used in practice, the next factor strikes, shrinking and aging population cannot handle it anymore. You see, it doesn't work at all, but if you use it anyway stubbornly, you don't have the human resources to check every single AI output. It's finally a completely useless technology.
Pukey2
The beauty of DeepSeek is that it is FREE and open source. You can tailor it to your own needs in your own country. And so you can also make DeepSeek come up with your usual CIA talking points with a bit of tweeking. Who on earth is going to pay $200 a month for private code which will, according to their own words, keep a log of your private data?
tora
You should have opensourced OpenAI from the start, Mr. Altman. And you should have diversified your business while you could. As it is your business model is doomed.
deanzaZZR
If Bong Bong Philippines could actually produce a robust AI system dear Isabella would be out of a job. Maybe that is something Japan and PH can work on together.
sakurasuki
@isabelle
Just reminder again, where OpenAI got its data training source, you scream out of loud because DeepSeek was made by China, why don't you just to be fair this time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/30/eight-newspaper-publishers-sue-openai-over-copyright-infringement.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-times-open-ai-microsoft-lawsuit.html
isabelle
I've already covered this on another thread. China is willfully violating the terms of service, and is certainly not being "fair."
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I'm certainly not a fan of OpenAI (or anyone else) using people's work without permission, but there is a difference here:
OpenAI: used pre-existing works to train AI. This was without precedent at the time, so not technically "wrong" as there were no laws to stop it
DeepSeek: explicitly (if the claims are true) distilled ChatGPT's model, in clear violation of the terms of service
Laws are thankfully changing to protect creators, now that the precedent has been set. But China will sadly still ignore them.
nishikat
So we have a choice of CCP AI or Trump AI. So what?... and I will take the cheaper solution. I just want to bake a stupid cake correctly and if anyone needs to rely on AI for any serious getpolitical issues then you, yourself have serious issues.
If it were breaking the law it would not be on the AppleStore if PlayStore. Again, I just want to bake an idiotic cake. Beyond that look to your inner self for the real issues!
isabelle
Per my response on another thread...
False dilemma. There are a lot more choices than that.
If you don't care about things like human rights or oppression, you can "happily" use DeepSeek and other CCP-controlled tools.
I do care, so will never use them.
The investigation is still ongoing, but the evidence is already pretty damning. When asked what model it is, DeepSeek even says "ChatGPT."
https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-just-insisted-its-chatgpt-and-i-think-thats-all-the-proof-i-need
Once the investigation concludes, we will hopefully see action.
nishikat
Deep Seek is open source and OpenAI is not. We will have many more choices (later) because of DS.
No Sam Altman is still whining. That is NOT evidence. He just cares about the financial threat from DS's open source system.
isabelle
Doesn't change the fact that your argument (a choice of CCP AI or Trump AI) was a false dilemma.
DeepSeek actually saying it's ChatGPT isn't evidence?
A group believed to be linked to DeepSeek retrieving excessive data from OpenAI isn't evidence?
And much more to come, no doubt.
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https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-and-open-ai-investigate-whether-deepseek-illicitly-obtained-data-from-chatgpt
Microsoft's security team observed a group believed to have ties to DeepSeek extracting a large volume of data from OpenAI's API. The API allows developers to integrate OpenAI's proprietary models into their applications for a fee and retrieve some data. However, the excessive data retrieval noticed by Microsoft researchers violates OpenAI's terms and conditions and signals an attempt to bypass OpenAI's restrictions.
nishikat
Then bring it to court. I'm not the jury. DS does NOT require discovery since it's open source but OAI is closed so it will require Discovery. But WAIT! You can't claim against open source! That's like claiming against air or something! It's like Micro$oft claiming against Linux
I don't care. It will evolve on its own