showchinmono comments

WHO isn't the only UN system organizations that are just inept and too politically motivated. People should stop quoting these organizations opinions as so-called world opinion or Int'l consensus.

COVID-19 Olympics in session!!, The more infected, more dead, you are admired !

TARA TAN KITAOKAMar. 10  03:34 pm JST

Japan is not fair to its Asian neighbours. I do not belive that the numbers in Japan are real because abe wants the right to declare a state of emergency, which means that the actions does not match the numbers of real infected cases. It is common sense.

I don't think you are making any sense here.

After all, that makes sense. Japan did make an advance notice to SK which just couldn't take it and got simply pissed off. That's what is all about. Again SK never betrays your expectation

https://mainichi.jp/articles/20200310/k00/00m/040/008000c

Should Japan have declared this measure with, let's say, 1 month advance notice? It must be surprisingly and unreasonably quick no matter how surprising and chaotic it would become under emergency, not to mention, there's hardly time to consult/discuss and gain understandings from always-whining counterparts.

Let it deal with all those criticism later on.

Japans best friend Korea is not too happy

Oh no. It is not. It just always stands in the way of dealing with emergency just like ridiculous opposition parties questions at the diet

What do you expect?　A mess always come with unreasonableness. This is a state of emergency to be declared shortly. That's why several conditions are just requested.

SJToday  04:45 am JST

@showchinmono

If reciprocal measure is justified, how come SK does not ban the entry of foreigners from Australia, or not take several other reciprocal measures accordingly against all other 101 countries?

Sigh... The reciprocal principle applies to visa, not to travel restriction. S. Koreans can visit the EU countries without visa, and the people of the EU countries also can enter S. Korea without visa. S. Koreans need visa to enter China, because Chinese need visa to enter S. Korea.

S. Korean could enter Japan without visa, because Japanese also could enter S. Korea without visa. For a long-term stay, S. Koreans need visa to stay in Japan, and Japanese also need visa to stay in S. Korea.

Sigh... since when people started applying the reciprocal principle only to visa control?

In international relations and treaties, the principle of reciprocity states that favours, benefits, or penalties that are granted by one state to the citizens or legal entities of another, should be returned in kind.

For example, reciprocity has been used in the reduction of tariffs, the grant of copyrights to foreign authors, the mutual recognition and enforcement of judgments, and the relaxation of travel restrictions and visa requirements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocity_(international_relations)

If one country wants to change the status of visa, then she should notify and discuss it with the counterpart country, because it is reciprocal. Abe did it suddenly without any prior consultation with S. Korea, not to mention his cabinet members. Diplomatically it is unacceptable in the world. It is just a political provocation.

Japan notified SK before it gets effective on Mar 9.　　So Vietnam consulted with SK in advance for it's visa waiver suspension? and SK retaliated based on that principle?

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200228000813

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/02/29/vietnam-to-suspend-visa-free-travel-for-south-koreans-amid-concerns-over-covid-19-outbreak

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Vietnam-isolates-all-South-Korea-arrivals-squeezing-Samsung

@SJ

Frankly speaking, you are the one who seems having problem in reading English.

If reciprocal measure is justified, how come SK does not ban the entry of foreigners from Australia, or not take several other reciprocal measures accordingly against all other 101 countries?

That's the question. Got it?

You can start from what SK has done against Australia, China as starters

Fagui CurtainToday  06:34 pm JST

too funny; Korea is finding many cases because they are very actively testing their population

Japan isn't finding any new cases because it is NOT conducting mass testing.

on NHK, news of a guy who went 7 times to see a doctor (at 3 different hospitals) and he was just sent home. The 8th visit at a 4th doctor, he was allowed to be tested and found positive. But had 2 weeks without being tested and he could transmit the virus to everyone around him...

TLDR: there is a big likelihood the epidemic is worse in Japan than Korea because being unchecked, and progressing at an alarming rate while its now being under control in China

Really, it should be the contrary and Korea and China calling for a ban of visitors from Japan !!!

SK's active testing is a must! Why not, it faces factual super-spreading of the cult, legacies of SARS/MERS/PM2.5, their cultural behavior to eat anything, to share the same pot with your chopsticks

SJToday  02:35 pm JST

@showchinmono

So S.K has announced the same retaliation measures to all other 99 countries YET? Australia?

A few Japanese guys here even can not grasp what Abe spectacularly did. No country in the world denied entry based on people's nationality (visa) for the purpose of preventing COVID-19. Japan under Abe was the first ever country to do it. The decision is even closer to racism. Other countries restrict travel by flights based on their origin countries, not passengers' nationality.

SK has done it ? based on so called the principle of reciprocity. So where is SK's application of the same principle toward other 101 countries? Especially China, Australia, Singapore..... endless.

Even Korean major media keep questioning SK's emotional knee-jerk reaction, overreaction, whatever.

https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/17927672/

For those who pointing out why not Italy on Japan's list, Australia has not included Italy yet either.

Heck, think a bit about percentage of entrants from each countries.

https://www.jetro.go.jp/biznews/2020/03/858987d163c3d83d.html

And Visa control is racism? How do you deal with infected entrants coming around by way of other areas/countries?

So S.K has announced the same retaliation measures to all other 99 countries YET? Australia?

Korean posters must know it.

Illogical and Incompetent thinking. ３year-old kid's behavior and attitude.

By Kim Yo-jong

So S.K has announced the same retaliation measures to all other 99 countries YET? Australia?

Korean posters must know it.

Just announced its countermeasure against Japan.

Very Korean LOL. SK never betray your expectation:

South Korea strongly protested the move, calling it "unreasonable, excessive and extremely regrettable".

Ｈｏｗ　ｃｏｍｅ　SK complains only to Japan? LOL

Japan Can’t Handle the Coronavirus. 

Which one can and is handing it fitting your standard?

Folks. S.K has two major clusters to chase and make intensive tests. They must do it even if it goes beyond daily testing capacity, -5000, trying to enlarge up to 13000/day, which are traceable compared to untraceable infection in Japan. Plus accuracy of the test is not as rewarding as worth competing between two countries.

Hongkong also had one, the difference is a small country Hongkong duelly tested 1800 in a day whereas Japan has been unable to test 3700 in 3 weeks.

If you genuinely believe 1800 passengers could be properly tested in a day, .......In the ship.... well ...

Also, check several different media for that news, some say majority of those 1800 were not tested at all

as judged it was not necessary.

Maybe if you study the correct history and not the Japanese far right altered history, you will realize Japan is the root cause of all problems - Japan attacked Korea 714 times over a thousand years pre Meiji period.

Was it " Japan"? that attacked Korea 700 whatever times or Wakou pirates? Seems you are the one who needs to study the correct history especially about these pirates

In fact, the word 'Korea' is one of the top two most searched words in Japan. Break it down by age group and gender, and the only group interested in Korean culture are females under 30. The rest of Japan search for news on Korea, hoping to see something that Japan is better at to brighten up their day.

Yahoo news for example, when you click International news, it always full of Korean news regardless you are interested in or not. And then you notice all those Korean news media are the ones which always mind where not only SKorea is being ranked but also Japan. Can't help it. They are mostly Koreans who are reporting those from Japan in Japanese in Japan.

For Koreans, the word 'Japan' isn't even in the top 10 for all search engines. Koreans don't even care about what goes on in Japan.

So who are you then. What do you care by checking in the most searched words in Japan? Very often, ethnic Koreans Kyppos make much bigger fuss about Japan compared to ordinary domestic Koreans.

"I've come to Tokyo because I want to express my appreciation for the interest that all the filmgoers have shown," the film's director Bong Joon-ho told the same news conference.

Oh Really? But It's been reported already and well known in Japan that you and president Moon made fun of your Japanese fans for humming a tune of " a parody of "Dokdo is our territory" without probably knowing what song it really is.

katyToday  06:52 am JST

Very hard to quarantine more than 3500 people on the ship

my questions are

why CDC of those countries did not advice their governments to evacuate

their citizens from the beginning of quarantine episode ?

They can evacuate their citizens home and take care of them .

In case of the 2nd largest group, American passengers, Japan proposed that, but US requested Japan to keep inside the ship. I guess other countries could be more or less the same. It's much easier for them isn't it.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200223/k10012297661000.html

utorsaToday  12:55 pm JST

@Samit Basu

You stated the following on Feb 19:

I won't lie.

I try to stay away from both Chinese and Japanese right now.*

Japan is Wuhan corona virus infested with untraceable random infections popping up across Japan, whether you like to admit it or not.

By your standards South Korea is "corona virus infested" with "untraceable random infections popping up" across South Korea. Should we try to stay away from South Koreans? Please advise.

Don't ask for advice from some one carrying totally different type of virus infested with traceable random infections. We do NOT need any ugly competition here on covid-19 between Japan and SK.

@Flute

Was that needed to begin with ? You say, the doctor counter-argued one by one, so as long of one of the point was not counter-argue your whole statement was wrong. I did not bother reading every single paragraph word by word and diagonally read some of these, so do not hesitate to prove me wrong. I stand my point that it was more like explanations, precision, stuff like that, agreement, request, other stuff.

 

OK Fine. I should have said Dr,Takayama referred to each one and all of Dr.Iwata’s remarks, and corrected some of his misunderstanding, important ones, which is equal to that Dr. Takayama clearly denied some of Iwata’s criticizing remarks.

 

Regarding the patient/passenger, I do not get where is supposed to be the counter-arguing ? He agreed that coming across a quarantined person was possible. One call them patient as he sees them as potentially infected, the other one call them passenger as he sees them as potentially non-infected. That is still the same person. Question : in a quarantine station, what should be the best way to consider quarantined person to reduce risk of infection ? Wrong example, if you want my point of view.

 

That’s not how Dr.Takayama looks at his remarks. That’s only your opinion which is not relevant. He meant it is impossible an infected passenger ( by the test results) is allowed to freely walk so as to come across Dr. Iwata down the hall. Besides, Dr.Iwata mentioned about it because a person who was with him told him “ あっ　患者さんとすれ違っちゃった！“　not because of the difference how one sees the passenger. By your logic, every one of those 3700 should not be allowed to make any steps out of their cabins even into green zone.

＞検疫所の方と一緒に歩いてて、ヒュッと患者さんとすれ違ったりするわけです。

さすがに、これは違います。そのような導線にはなっていません。患者ではなく、乗客ではないかと思います。乗客ですら、そのようなことは稀だと思います。

  

Regarding the expert/bureaucrat. He said the bureaucrat were in charge and there was no single professional infection control person inside the ship. So he did not say there was only bureaucrat and no expert. He refereed to some specific one which was not inside the ship. The reply did not stuck to this specific type of person but extra-poled other people he did not negate to be on board or even acknowledged it as the DMAT ones (+ something which looked like a tentative to make he look pretentious, which could obviously be possible but is non-relevant here). No better example, if you want my point of view.

＞でも僕がいなかったら、いなくなったら今度、感染対策するプロが一人もいなくなっちゃいますよ

これは間違いです。毎日、感染症や公衆衛生を専門とする医師が乗船して指導しています。ご存じなかったんだと思います。まあ、ご自身に比べればプロのうちに入らないと言われると、返す言葉もありませんが・・・

 

I am not sure why you are twisting Dr.Iwata’s remark as such. It is no more, no less than shown above.  Anti-infection professional(s) has been always in the ship including Dr. Takayama himself.

“ I meant There is no single SAME professional person in charge of infection control from the beginning till now to become a core for team efforts. That’s what I meant” Dr Iwata restated. answering TV interview ( which I don’t bother to copy link). You see? It is not what he initially said, at least, verbally.

 

 

He still think there is secondary infection, did you watch the video ? Even NIID agreed there was most likely secondary infection, did you read he paper ?

 

Yeah I did. I never denied the possibility of 2ndary infection/transmission, nor did mention he changed his opinion in that specific point. He’s been describing “ The Inside was so chaotic and I was so afraid of being infected” Although he did not use such direct words, he essentially indicated the ship as the root or the incubator of 2ndary infection. Did he change his tone before an after he read newly updated data from NIID or not? I see he DID.

 

Even regarding Epi-curve, Dr.Takayama clearly denied his perception.

 

＞シエラレオネなんかの方がよっぽどマシでした。

シエラレオネにおいて、先進国が運用する医療センターのことだと思います。最貧国の市中病院の感染管理の悲惨さと同一視させることのないようにお願いします。

＞エピカーブというのがあるのですが、そのデータを全然とっていないということを今日、教えてもらいました。

これ間違いです。岩田先生のせいではありません。教えた人が知らなかったんでしょうね。感染研がエピカーブを公表しています。新たな報告を加えてバージョンアップされるでしょうが、すでに公表してますし「全然とっていない」わけではありません。

 

 

 

I see Dr.Takayama replied in very polite and unnecessarily humble manner as a person who arranged for Dr.Iwata to make entry into the ship as a member of DMAT, but I clearly see his efforts to correct his misunderstandings he got after only 2 hours- of looking around only Lounge area. Counter-argue definition is - to give (reasons, statements, or facts) in opposition to an argument. Were these counter-arguments? Yes they were. Were they against each one of and all of them? No.

There is no next event. Why would Japan have to help foreign ships and spend lots of money and time only to be criticized. In fact Japan denied entry of another ship who came after the Diamond Princess.

Yeah. Damned and bashed if not done up until recently and damned unless its perfect despite Japan decided not to reject this 1st foreign ship. US still prohibits entries of those Americans who have just disembarked for next 14 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhB5h0AZSg8

The guy was threatened, plain and simple. Kato can reject the man's criticism all he wants, it does not explain away the catastrophe the government created here, and the fact that they are as bad as China when it comes to covering it up (but worse at it). I challenge anyone who denies what Iwata said and defends the government to spend a few days on the ship.

Then why Dr. Iwata is explaining right now in press conference at FCCJ totally different reasons for his romoving his video? He is saying over-all situations including zone-ing in the ship dramatically improved!!

Really IN ONE DAY?

https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/17845201/

Stop ridiculous speculation

Why this much of knee-jerk speculation about J-Govt Pressure? Don't you ever think he himself admitted

his inaccurate reporting?

Dr.Takagi counterargues one by one against Dr Iwata's findings

https://anonymous-post.mobi/archives/20127

For those who're interested in Dr Takagi's counterarguments for each one of Dr Iwata's reporting.

Only in Japanese

https://anonymous-post.mobi/archives/20127

Also, China once denied but now has officially admitted that the possibility of Aerosol infection exits.

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