Vaccine misinformation: A lasting side effect from COVID

Calling millions of critical thinkers "fringe" is a clearly desperate attempt to dismiss legitimate concerns about rushed, experimental vaccines that were never designed to stop transmission, as confirmed by Pfizer executives themselves. Let's not forget the skyrocketing rates of myocarditis, blood clots, and other "rare" side effects that conveniently get swept under the rug while the pharmaceutical conglomerates raked in RECORD profits. If these "life-saving" jabs were so flawless, why were manufacturers granted immunity from lawsuits? And why were dissenting doctors and scientists silenced, de-platformed, or labeled as "conspiracy theorists" for simply following real science? The real danger isn't questioning authority - it's blindly obeying it while governments and globalists consolidate power under the guise of "health emergencies."

Five years later, the only enduring truth is how easily people were manipulated into trading their health and freedoms for false security.

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And the sheer DESPERATION of these writers clinging to the "antivaxxer"/ "fringe" narrative is as transparent as it is pathetic. If the pro-health and anti-COVID vaccine movement were truly so small and inconsequential, why dedicate endless hit pieces to discredit it? Could it be because MILLIONS of people worldwide have woken up to the lies, coercion, and blatant profiteering of the pharmaceutical conglomerates and their government enablers? The fact that the desperate pharmaceutical racketeers and their media lackeys still feel the need to vilify and silence dissent only proves they fear the truth coming out.

Calling millions of critical thinkers "fringe" is a clearly desperate attempt to dismiss legitimate concerns about rushed, experimental vaccines that were never designed to stop transmission

False accusations only evidence how desperate antivaxxer propaganda groups are now that the huge value of vaccines was demonstrated again, with millions of lives saved even when those groups baselessly insisted on uncountable deaths because of the vaccines that never happened.

Covid is the one producing cardiac problems, there is no hidden side effects, the manufactures are not immune from lawsuits, and "dissenting" doctors that lied and mislead people for personal profits must be sanctioned accordingly, they are acting unprofessionally and unethically, that is what professional accreditation authorities are for.

If the pro-health and anti-COVID vaccine movement were truly so small and inconsequential, why dedicate endless hit pieces to discredit it?

What part of the article says it is inconsequential? fighting disinformation that puts in risk the health and lives of people is something well worth it, even if it involves only a small group of antiscientific people.

Then again, media outlets that allow or even promote the disinformation share a responsibility for this. Serious outlets will penalize and restrict the comments that completely contradict valuable health information because allowing it means putting other people at risk because of the lies. That is taking their roles seriously and accepting the responsibility that comes from propagating dangerous lies.

On the other hand this causes that those very few exceptions that allow the dangerous disinformation quickly become swamped with people that wish nothing more but to convince others of their mistaken beliefs, accounts that almost exclusively comment to contradict the opinion of experts in the articles published and trying desperately to convince others to make mistakes that could cost them their lives.

It is very easy to see where this happens, since every single article that deals with topics like the pandemic or vaccines ends up swamped with antivaxx comments from people that face no negative consequence for these actions.

Indeed....imbeciles...who think bleach and horse de-wormer are "cures"....

And it's possible one will be leading the Dept of Health and Human Services...a guy who leaves dead bears in parks and thinks he has a worm inside his brain....

Maybe that explains the "horse de-wormer" fascination...

Misinformation purveyors on the internet tried to convince people like me that natural immunity didn’t exist and that if I tried to rely on it I would face negative health consequences.

I’m glad I ignored the misinformation.

There is no mounting evidence (you present exactly zero) there is no "zero accountability", there is no vaccine myocarditis being hidden, it is still a tiny minusculre fraction of the myocarditis prevented by the vaccines, and it is even not clinically important, the opposite of what happens with covid. Easy to see when exactly zero cardiology organizations recommend to avoid the vaccines.

The mental gymnastics on display here. Incredible.

No mounting evidence? Over 1,000 peer-reviewed studies and growing (including from reputable sources like Nature and JAMA) document vaccine-induced myocarditis, particularly in young males.

Vaccine manufacturers were granted legal immunity in MANY countries, which means if you’re harmed, tough cookies. That's not accountability - that's a free pass.

"Tiny fraction?" Even the CDC admits that myocarditis cases post-vaccine occur at rates significantly higher than expected in young males. But sure, let’s downplay it because it’s "only" someone else's heart, right?

Not clinically important? Tell that to the people hospitalized with chest pain and heart inflammation post Covid vaccine. I'm sure they'll appreciate being told their suffering is "not important."

Zero cardiology organizations recommend avoiding the vaccines? Haha well, when organizations receive funding from the SAME pharmaceutical companies making these vaccines, you think they're going to bite the hand that feeds them? That's not science - it's a conflict of interest.

So, before throwing around blanket denials, maybe take a moment to step out of your echo chamber and face the uncomfortable reality: the evidence is real, and unfortunately for you, pretending it's not doesn't make it go away.

Indeed....imbeciles...who think bleach and horse de-wormer are "cures"....

Maybe that explains the "horse de-wormer" fascination...

Yay, how good is parroting tired, unfunny talking points from Uber "Liberal" late-night comedians that nobody watches! "Horse de-wormer." Awesome. 

Fun fact: Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize for human use LONG before your favorite smug Twitter account even existed.

Misinformation purveyors on the internet tried to convince people like me that natural immunity didn’t exist and that if I tried to rely on it I would face negative health consequences.

Vaccines use natural immunity, nobody says it does not exist, just that irrationally rejecting safe and effective vaccines would come with much higher risks of deaths.

There is a reason why people in the US that believed the disinformation on vaccines were more likely to die, specially those belonging to antiscientific groups.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10003493/

The mental gymnastics on display here. Incredible.

What mental gymnastics, you make baseless claims and false accusations, the arguments disprove them and you readily abandon any effort to defend them because you know they are incorrect. Hardly any need for anything beyond providing the arguments that have repeatedly debunked the claims.

No mounting evidence? Over 1,000 peer-reviewed studies and growing (including from reputable sources like Nature and JAMA) document vaccine-induced myocarditis, particularly in young males

And exactly zero of which say this is a reason to avoid the vaccines, specially because the infection come with much higher risks of myocarditis that actually affect the person. And no, 1000 studies is a baseless accusation, the risks has been so well characterized now that there is no merit in repeating again that the vaccines prevent much more cardiac risks than what they produce.

Not clinically important? Tell that to the people hospitalized with chest pain and heart inflammation post Covid vaccine.

What people? studies have to use laboratory tests because of lack of any clinical signs on almost every patient, the ones hospitalizes are those that contracted the problems thanks to covid, not the vaccines.

Haha well, when organizations receive funding from the SAME pharmaceutical companies making these vaccines, you think they're going to bite the hand that feeds them? That's not science - it's a conflict of interest.

Still false accusations, either all the cardiology associations of the world are letting their families and friends die for money or you are wrong. It is easy to see which option is rational.

Once again proved, media outlets that promote dangerous disinformation and personal attacks end up filling up with the people that are not allowed to do that on sites that take their responsibility seriously.

Misinformation purveyors on the internet tried to convince people like me that natural immunity didn’t exist and that if I tried to rely on it I would face negative health consequences.

I’m glad I ignored the misinformation.

Agreed.

On Australia's largest news site, a poll revealed:

MORE THAN 50% of respondents said they REGRET getting vaccinated.

LESS THAN 35% per cent out of more than 45,000 people said they got the Covid jab and would make the same decision again.

NOT A SINGLE PERSON said they were unvaccinated and regret the decision.

Vaccines use natural immunity, nobody says it does not exist, just that irrationally rejecting safe and effective vaccines would come with much higher risks of deaths.

Classic sleight of hand: acknowledging natural immunity exists while simultaneously undermining it to push an agenda!

Your claim that Covid vaccines "use natural immunity" is simply disinformation. Covid Vaccines stimulate an artificial immune response by introducing spike proteins or mRNA instructions, which is COMPLETELY different from the broad and robust immunity gained through natural infection. It’s like calling a pair of knockoff shoes the real deal - just doesn't work, unfortunately for you.

As for the idea that "nobody says natural immunity doesn’t exist," that's a convenient rewriting of history. Your trusted "experts", health officials and media outlets spent the pandemic downplaying or outright IGNORING natural immunity, despite centuries of immunological science. When the evidence became undeniable, they grudgingly admitted its existence. Funny how that works.

Indeed....imbeciles...who think bleach and horse de-wormer are "cures"....

Maybe that explains the "horse de-wormer" fascination...

Yay, how good is parroting tired, unfunny talking points from Uber "Liberal" late-night comedians that nobody watches! "Horse de-wormer." Awesome. 

Awesomely deluded and manipulated...

Fun fact: Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize for human use LONG before your favorite smug Twitter account even existed.

Yea, that was funny - showing how easily some folks are played for a sucker...and pay with their and their families lives...

While there's no real way to measure the former, I would bet that over the history of homo sapiens, deliberate ignorance in combination with the Dunning-Kruger effect has killed way, way more people than all the viruses in human history combined.

*NOT A SINGLE PERSON** said they were unvaccinated and regret the decision.:*

You know that those that were unvaccinated and died from this are not exactly able to speak up, right?

You are also making a false argument, the appeal to popularity fallacy, where you can't defend something that was demonstrated as false, so you try to say that being popular would magically correct that.

What if 100% of the people in a poll say the moon is made of cheese? would it make it so? or would it just prove that people can be mislead to believing things that are false, specially on uncontrolled, unverified polls?

Classic sleight of hand: acknowledging natural immunity exists while simultaneously undermining it to push an agenda!

Vaccines use natural immunity, just in a safer and more effective way, there is no undermining except when you are trying very hard to be irration.

Your claim that Covid vaccines "use natural immunity" is simply disinformation.

Bring a source that says vaccines do no use natural immunity. A source that describe what artificial antibiodies or cytokines are involved, because your appeal to your personal authority is not even close enough to prove the claims you are making.

The immunity from the infection can only come from running the full risks of the disease that the immunity is meant to avoid, so it is exactly 0% effective compared with the vaccines. Nobody is ignoring the natural immuntiy, experts simply use it in a much more efficient and safe way to protect people.

Also, can you again provide proof of my employment as you claimed to know? or are you accepting this was a false claim made with the specific purpose of attack another commenter breaking the rules of the site?

NOT A SINGLE PERSON said they were unvaccinated and regret the decision.

Kinda hard to voice your satisfaction about being unvaccinated when you're dead from COVID.

Calling millions of critical thinkers "fringe" is a clearly desperate attempt to dismiss legitimate concerns about rushed, experimental vaccines that were never designed to stop transmission, as confirmed by Pfizer executives themselves. Let's not forget the skyrocketing rates of myocarditis, blood clots, and other "rare" side effects that conveniently get swept under the rug while the pharmaceutical conglomerates raked in RECORD profits. If these "life-saving" jabs were so flawless, why were manufacturers granted immunity from lawsuits? And why were dissenting doctors and scientists silenced, de-platformed, or labeled as "conspiracy theorists" for simply following real science? The real danger isn't questioning authority - it's blindly obeying it while governments and globalists consolidate power under the guise of "health emergencies." 

Five years later, the only enduring truth is how easily people were manipulated into trading their health and freedoms for false security.

Yes and this is why I don’t take these people too seriously.

Yes and this is why I don’t take these people too seriously.

So claims that were demonstrated false is why you don't take seriously the people that actually protected the public? that makes no sense.

What I can never understand is why critical thinkers like yourself think getting a disease (natural immunity) is a good way to prevent getting the same disease you're presumably trying to avoid. Please explain it to the rest of us.

Your claim that Covid vaccines "use natural immunity" is simply disinformation. Covid Vaccines stimulate an artificial immune response by introducing spike proteins or mRNA instructions, which is COMPLETELY different from the broad and robust immunity gained through natural infection. It’s like calling a pair of knockoff shoes the real deal - just doesn't work, unfortunately for you.

Unfortunately many countries were subject firsthand to Covid related conspiracy theories. And instead of natural immunity, millions are suffering from the effects of those theories.

They weren't demonstrated as false. That's just what you believe.

Can you bring any institution in the world that defend those claims?

No? that is because they were demonstrated as false, not being able to accept reality is not an argument to prove it does not exist.

Unfortunately many countries were subject firsthand to Covid related conspiracy theories. And instead of natural immunity, millions are suffering from the effects of those theories.

On the opposite, the conspiracy theories are the ones that baselessly claimed vaccines were worst than risking the infection, making millions of people lose their lives unnecessarily. Vaccines have demonstrated to have saved millions of lives and are considered a huge medical success with plenty of data to prove it, no need for any conspiracy when the claims are easily proved.

@lincolnman

and pay with their and their families lives...

Hysterical, triple-vaccinated helicopter parent comment. Need a quick review on the blatant lies we were spoon-fed about the COVID vaccine? Don't worry, I've got you covered.

First, we were told the vaccine would stop transmission. False. Studies have shown vaccinated individuals can still contract and spread the virus, sometimes at similar viral loads to the unvaccinated. Oops!

Next, we were assured it would prevent infection. Again, false. Breakthrough cases became so common that even the most ardent pro-vaxxers had to admit the jab doesn’t stop you from catching COVID. Moving the goalposts much?

Oh, but, but... how about the promise of reducing severity? The blanket narrative IGNORED the fact that for healthy, low-risk individuals, the virus was already unlikely to cause severe outcomes.

And we're guessing you're going to conveniently "forget" the adverse effects like myocarditis, clotting disorders, and neurological issues - funnily dismissed as "rare" but all too real for those affected.

So, before throwing around accusations of people "paying with their lives," maybe acknowledge the real suckers here: those who trusted the propaganda, only to realize they were given a product that failed to deliver on its overhyped promises.

why no one trust the science anymore!

If you don't trust science anymore then you should completely stop using any of its benefits, your phone and computer included! Also, don't go to the oncologist if you get cancer. Can't trust them, right? Let's be consistent.

One example was hydroxychloroquine, which controversial French researcher Didier Raoult claimed could cure COVID, in an initial study that was recently retracted.

Donald Trump, who was U.S. president at the time, was among those who then promoted the drug.

Since Raoult's initial March 2020 paper, there have been over 1000 additional HCQ studies, and they have on average shown similar results to what was observed in Raoult's institute: 70% decrease in mortality when administered preventively and 30% when administered to hospitalized patients.

But of course, some will continue to focus on the few pharma funded studies that were designed to fail.

And the sheer DESPERATION of these writers clinging to the "antivaxxer"/ "fringe" narrative is as transparent as it is pathetic.

Yes, I can sense their desperation. Probably very worried about RFKjr getting rid of all the pharma and science corruption.

Indeed....imbeciles...who think bleach and horse de-wormer are "cures"....

I think he said disinfectant, not bleach.

He was probably referring to povidone-iodine, which was found to be very effective when used as a gargle and nasal rinse. But I agree that imbeciles will think he was talking about bleach.

I think he said disinfectant, not bleach.

No, he said bleach. Not once, but twice.

I am fine with vaccines and believe in their effectiveness

Why the corona vaccine was different and has caused me to question health care professionals and the pharmaceutical industry is;

1.Unlike other vaccines these were rushed through

We we forced to be vaccinated of we wanted to travel, work etc

The narrative consistently changed from vaccines will stop the spread to finally it won't be so bad when you get it.

Any discussion against the vaccine is consistently labeled as disinformation

Most people I know got 2 or 3 doses, yet hardly anyone has gotten more. So, it's pretty clear ghe the majority of people have their doubts too

I think both sides are (and have been) overstating the pros/cons of the COVID vaccines. They are not that dangerous, but also not that benefical or convenient for most people if you need (and have to pay for) boosters every 6 months or so.