S Korea working to solve wartime labor issue: Japan official

S Korea working to solve wartime labor issue: Japan official

Why Japan need to be spokesperson for Korea? Let South Korea speak for themselves.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/08/19/national/south-korea-supreme-court-wartime-labor-decision-impact/

Japan is not being a spokesperson for South Korea. Japan's MOFA was asked what is going on and they simply stated what they knew.

Pres Yoon has an enormous uphill battle because of the sheer extent of damage the previous Pres Moon created with SK-JP relations. However Pres Yoon is a clear headed patriot who knows what needs to be done for his country.

Get on cameras and have Japan say they're sorry for the atrocities committed by their predecessors (8 decades ago) and Korea admit and apologize for being an awful and untrusty ally. Shake hands and work towards a better future as the free nations they are, against their mutual enemies and bullies in the region.

Put their pride aside, very difficult for us humans, and work together to preserve what we both have and can achieve.

The never ending Saga

A South Korean Foreign Ministry source, meanwhile, told reporters that Lee touched on the issue of an apology to plaintiffs that they have asked Japan to make, but a Japanese Foreign Ministry official said such a matter was not raised during Friday's meeting.

Never apologize trusting SKorean then-leaders whose promises never to touch upon the issues ever again were hardly out of their mouths when they broke those. History repeats. Remember how Kono idiotically came up with stupid Kono-Danwa? Never ever be fooled by Korean rhetoric

Kono made the historically stupidest political/diplomatic error by his speech, wrt Comfort women. Japan had never conducted its own fact-checking to substantiate their claims, only trusting the words of then SK leader

and the fraud group's claim. Look how things evolved. Chong Dae Hyup and self-proclaimed victims never presented objective proofs for their narratives and entire SK society only relying on this the stupidest Kono-Danwa and UN stupidest resolution to come this far.

Like wise, this war time labor issues are being presented as if all of Korean labors were through more or less the same experience despite the fact there're many who were satisfied with what they earned in Japan and happily returned home. Japan or Japanese Co never participated these trials, never conducted its own self investigation. How could SK expect Japan to make an official apology?

It's overdue. And procrastination is not a solution.

This was already resolved in the 1965 treaty between Japan and Korea and Korea was compensated. Korea accepted and agreed to this.

I mean, you can’t just keep suing someone over and over for the same thing after getting paid out.

Can we at least dump the now ubiquitous Japanese euphemism "wartime labor." It was slave labor. Let Japan admit what everyone knows. That will go a long way in mending South Korean and Japanese relations.

@OssanJapan

Yoon is a clear headed patriot who knows what needs to be done for his country.

There is nothing Yoon can do. Once the Supreme Court judge issues his liquidation order, that's it.

@kennyG

History repeats.

That's why history education is so important, in order to prevent history from repeating.

This is why Korea is so big on history education while Japan is lagging. 

Remember how Kono idiotically came up with stupid Kono-Danwa?

Kono was an eye-witness of the atrocities of Imperial Japan.

Japan or Japanese Co never participated these trials,

Actually they have, they wanted to settle because settling was 1/10th the cost of dragging out in trial. but were blocked by Abe administration from settling. 

@Nibek32

This was already resolved in the 1965 treaty between Japan and Korea and Korea was compensated. 

Actually the 1965 treaty doesn't resolve damages claims because there is not a single instance of word "damages" in the entire treaty text. The treaty covers assets, savings, properties, and rights, but not damages. The Koreans negotiators offered to include the word damages in the treaty text but Japan refused, and was deleted in the final text. Hence you have this mess.

The false pride of Japan prevented Japanese negotiators from including the word damages because that would imply the illegality of the Japanese occupation of Korea, so they demanded the deletion of the word damages from treaty text and opened the can of worms for Japan's future generations to deal with.

One of Yoon's advisor's actually promoting taking this case to the ICJ as demanded by Japan, because

1) Korea never lost an international arbitration against Japan to date, 7 : 0.

2) The first line of the 1965 treaty says the 1910 annexation treaty was already null and void even though no explicit action was taken on Japan's side to nullify it, meaning the 1910 treaty was illegal to begin with by Japan's own admission.

3) Because Korea can prove Japanese occupation of Korea was illegal and the treaty text absolutely doesn't cover damages, Korea can win the case at the ICJ.

jeancolmarToday  10:59 am JST

Can we at least dump the now ubiquitous Japanese euphemism "wartime labor." It was slave labor.

No it wasn't. Conscripted war time labor included Japanese and Koreans. Even the SK govt doesn't call it "slave" labor.

@OssanJapan

Conscripted war time labor included Japanese and Koreans.

It's illegal under international law to conscript occupied people.

The Cairo declaration makes it clear the allies(US, UK, and ROC) understood Korea as occupied people, not citizens of Imperial Japan. Japanese Occupation of Korea was a fact among international circle even back in 1943.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_Cairo_Declaration#Text

The aforesaid three great powers, mindful of the enslavement of the people of Korea, are determined that in due course Korea shall become free and independent."

The Yoon Administration is working to undo the damage done by previous administrations, especially Moon. If succesful, it will be a great step forward for South Korea, Japan and the United States. Pres Yoon is a true Korean patriot willing to move his country forward.

Those who oppose it, and wish to perpetuate hatred between the two nations, are simply supporters of North Korea and China. Or are too ignorant to realize they are working against South Korea's best interests.

＠samit

In January, April, and November 2001, an academic conference on the legality of Japan's annexation of Korea from 1910 to 1945 (titled A reconsideration of Japanese Annexation of Korea from the Historical and International Law Perspectives) was held at Harvard University with the support of the Korea Foundation.[Scholars of history and international law participated from South Korea, North Korea, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, and Canada. The Korea foundation and Korean academia strived through this International conference to achieve international consensus on illegality of 1910 annexation. However, a major result of this conference is that the Korean claim that the annexation was illegal was rejected by the participating Western scholars, as well as others specializing in international law. There's no such international consensus on illegality of 1910 treaty whatsoever.

Hence mobilizing (conscripting) the people of the nation under war is not illegal.

“As far as I can see from these official records, I don’t understand why Japan has to be accused of enslaving Korea. If it was enslaving, the Britain is guilty of accomplice and the US guilty of accessory. All that Japan did to Korea was legally conducted as an ally of Britain. They were in accordance with the international rules and the highest code of conducts of that time. Not only that, there rules and codes were not set up by the Japanese, but they were set up by the West, especially Britain.”

A US historian – Helen Mears

“But, at that time, we chose it by ourselves. It is not Japan invaded our land. Our ancestors chose it. If we chose Qing Dynasty that soon perished, we would have had more chaos on the peninsula. If we chose Russia that soon got overturned, we would have had the entire peninsula turned to a communist country. It might not be the best but if we were to chose, I valued choosing Japan as second best.”

President of Korea Chunghee Park

Hence mobilizing (conscripting) the people of the nation under war is not illegal.

Besides, the plaintiffs of on-going SK verdicts were not conscripted, they voluntarily applied for the job slots,

and you know that.

@samit.

As you had said, I have marked your words. You have only 4 days left for SK supreme court ultimate action,

which I actually hope to happen

＠Samit

History repeats.

That's why history education is so important, in order to prevent history from repeating.

This is why Korea is so big on history education while Japan is lagging. 

Japan might lack volume of modern history education. Korea simply fabricates its entire history education.

Remember how Kono idiotically came up with stupid Kono-Danwa?

Kono was an eye-witness of the atrocities of Imperial Japan.

He was born in 1937 Jan. Yep probably he was an eye-witness of things happened in his house garden

Japan or Japanese Co never participated these trials,

Actually they have, they wanted to settle because settling was 1/10th the cost of dragging out in trial. but were blocked by Abe administration from settling. 

Negative. Other than trials held in Japan, those defendants simply appealed against judgements made by stupid SK judges. They didn't show up at these ridiculous courts at all.

@Nibek32

This was already resolved in the 1965 treaty between Japan and Korea and Korea was compensated. 

Actually the 1965 treaty doesn't resolve damages claims because there is not a single instance of word "damages" in the entire treaty text. The treaty covers assets, savings, properties, and rights, but not damages. The Koreans negotiators offered to include the word damages in the treaty text but Japan refused, and was deleted in the final text. Hence you have this mess.

No matter how many times you keep posting the same phrase, you can't deceive people any more.

Damages were covered, clearly referred to and proposed to offer individually( which SK delegates demanded to make one lump-sum payment to the government) by Japanese delegates in the dialogue between 2 nations which SK has hidden from SK people for long time. It doesn't matter the exact word " damage" appears or not on Treaty text. Refer to the Vienna convention of law of the Treaty

Your and SK supreme court stupid judges' definition of damage is the one cause as a result of Japanese occupation which only North and South Korea still insist illegal.

The false pride of Japan prevented Japanese negotiators from including the word damages because that would imply the illegality of the Japanese occupation of Korea, so they demanded the deletion of the word damages from treaty text and opened the can of worms for Japan's future generations to deal with.

One of Yoon's advisor's actually promoting taking this case to the ICJ as demanded by Japan, because

1) Korea never lost an international arbitration against Japan to date, 7 : 0.

2) The first line of the 1965 treaty says the 1910 annexation treaty was already null and void even though no explicit action was taken on Japan's side to nullify it, meaning the 1910 treaty was illegal to begin with by Japan's own admission.

3) Because Korea can prove Japanese occupation of Korea was illegal and the treaty text absolutely doesn't cover damages, Korea can win the case at the ICJ.

OK I just marked your words again. remind us all when SK actually brings the case to ICJ. LOL

Koreans don't want to solve the problems of Japan because bashing Japan kills 2 birds with 1 stone as the source of revenue for them and the repulsion force against the US for pro-China/N. Korea faction of their majority.

So they keep saying, "Apologize! We don't want money." and once Japan apologized, they say, "You apologized because you admitted your guilt? Then make up for it."

Former PM Abe cut up the vicious circle with the will, "I never let our later generations apologize ever again!"

The South Korean faction that has backed and fueled anti-Japan sentiment and diplomatic/political posture are going to have to get new jobs if President Yoon is succesful in saving his country in the face of growing global threats. This includes vankers who live to spread their spiteful revisionisist tripe all over the internet,