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misguided soul, better China allows him to leave for US.

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So the US was able to unload the problem. Now a brave man and his family will soon be dead. Maybe in a year or so it will be announced the "tragic" accident that killed them. The Americans had a choice and they picked the Peoples Republic over human rights. President Obama and his government will claim " we thought the Peoples Republic would honor their word". To the Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, you keep allowing yourself to be duped by others. Maybe you should consider retirement.

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President Obama and Hillary tricked Chen to get him out of the Embassy and then disavowed him. Pathetic.

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Yuri, once again you show your naive view of international politics. It would be impossible for US government to get Chen out of the country without the consent of Chinese government. He is protected while he is on embassy grounds, but he would be a prisoner there for the rest of his life unless China lets him leave.

Also, Chen did NOT ask for asylum when he entered US embassy and he left because the chinese threatened to harm his family if he didnt. There is NOTHING that US can do to stop China from harming his family who are not in US custody. What Chen is doing now is raising stink so his entire family (who are NOT in US custody) can leave China.

Chances are, this is exactly what will happen. I bet you that the Chinese will let him leave for US because my guess is that it's already been negotiated behind the scenes by US govmt, and Chen's release back from the embassy was a face saving gesture to China so they can later claim that they've let him leave the country on their own will.

Also, please note that US has ZERO responsibility to help this guy, and the fact that he is now badmouthing US makes me wish that my country wouldn't. What Chen is asking US to do is to tell China what to do with several of its citizens, which US has no right to. Remember how upset you get when US tries to dictate terms to Japan? How you alway curse United States when it says or does something that you dont agree with? How you tell Americans not to impose our values on Japan (in things like divorce and abductions of children; those are human rights abuses too you know)? Why is that you dont extend the same courtesy to Chinese Yuri? Do Chinese not have a right to conduct their internal affairs without US interference?

Nevertheless, my government IS doing something to help this guy (there is a congressional hearing going on as we speak with Chen phoning in live) and chances are his release is being negotiated as we speak. When he does indeed leave China for US, I expect an apology from all of you that are badmouthing my country.

p.s. Yuri, also please note that YOUR country, Japan, is doing absolutely NOTHING in terms of helping this guy. So please get off your high horse.

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YuriOtani

Again, what is Japan doing? Absolutely nothing. Please carefully read Elephunk's comment. His description of your double standard is right on point.

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/Shame comes in many forms. People react differently to what causes them shame. They may have a very respectable job in their beloved country. But it may have forced them to relocate to a new address far from familiar faces and loved ones. Or they may not have any form of close family because their own had been taken out long ago. So what rage is in the belly of the beast formed from a very disfunctional social system with no conscience or moral long term basis for compassion for all their citizens ...what rage seeths beneath the hard exterior they were forced to develope in their form of survival. what rage gives them opportunity to strike out to their innocent brothers and sisters with evil because of their ...shame. Truth has brought out their shame. Truth of their indifference to suffering. Truth of their idealization of protecting themselves from themselves by persecuting themselves. Wow puzzling to say the least. I say we boycott all of CHINA. of course then we may see some sort of shame for actually standing up for basic human rights....**

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My point is, if one were to say that Japan or any other country, like Australia, stepped and took Chen, would the U.S. want that? Or is Chen a little bit valuable too? My point being that we all realize, if things go smoothly, that everybody is doing their part to make good of a bad situation. No more, and no less. and if everybody is doing what they know and what is best, the situation that Chen was jailed for , forced sterilizations etcetc, will start to be dealt with too. All the bad isnt all within China, yk

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Just another "wanna be free loader" that wants to come to the USA after causing his own problems in his own country. Why should the USA help the world's trouble makers? We have our own problems to solve in this country without the added burden of all the Cheng Guangchengs of the world. Let him fix his own problems!

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Elephunk, this has nothing to do with Americans but the current government. Yes there are things they could of done and yes even Japan has gotten refugees from their embassy in China to Japan. So spare me your excuses, the current government has embarrassed itself in the eyes of the world. My guy a wounded combat vet from Iraqi agrees with me on this fact. I do not see the government of George Bush caving in like this.

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Hopefully he isn't killed by the chinese government. Someone's to to stir up dissent over there. Wish we could have helped more but once he left the embassy he was out of our hands. If there was any pressure put on him to leave by embassy officials then I might be a little more hostile towards my country's handling of the situation but it sounds like he left of his own volition out of fear for his family. While understandable it does little to help his situation.

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I have lost confidence in my President to do the right thing. America is weak and stands for nothing.

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YuriOtani: Elephunk, this has nothing to do with Americans but the current government. Yes there are things they could of done and yes even Japan has gotten refugees from their embassy in China to Japan. So spare me your excuses, the current government has embarrassed itself in the eyes of the world. My guy a wounded combat vet from Iraqi agrees with me on this fact. I do not see the government of George Bush caving in like this.

What would you recommend? Perhaps using some of the new stealth choppers and doing a commando mission to extract his family on Chinese soil? Perhaps "cap a few Chinese policemen in the head" while they're at it? Then fly them to Japanese soil with the blessings of your country? Or maybe Obama should have just demanded that the Chinese hand over his family, I'm sure they'd comply.

Chen was foolish. He started this process without a plan for his family. The outcome was inevitable. The US probably could have gotten him out alone, but not everyone he was attached to, and it's absurd to think he wouldn't realize this. He put everyone in an impossible position. If you want to be angry, be angry with him. He gave China all the cards.

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Hey Chen you want to coem to the US? Did you fill out your Department of Homeland Security I-864 (Affidavit of Support)? Oh, I guess you didn't think that far in advance. Just figured you'd freeload off of US taxpayers just because you don't like your country's one child policy. Want to study law? Hey, so would I, but I have to work to support my family. Maybe if you stopped your whining about other people's problems the Chinese government would leave you and your alone AND stop bothering our government officials who have infinitely more important things to do.

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Of course his situation is dangerous, extremely dangerous, perhaps he can die at any time. He is free to think highly of the US , as high as he wish, but reality is that every country has its own limitation. US will do as much as possible I guess, but China is a powerful country, very powerful. Whatever happens he must still thank US for looking after him.

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Being a Chinese who is very cynical about his own government, Chen should have known that the government will go about his family and supporters. I think either he is very naive or very selfish. Don't blame the US

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im my view, the US has already got the information that he has, then he is no longer an important person to the US gov. feel sorry for him but being an activist in china requires making decision to be wiling to take a risk of his own life. however if he succeeds to have public friendly opinion, it may move Obama for his next election.

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Watching Republicans jump over each other advocating for Chen's admittance to the US is interesting; they otherwise take the most contrary position. If you want to immigrate to the US, it's easiest to do from such countries as Cuba or China, where your plight can be applied to ideology.

Chen and his people made a large mistake in not thinking the endgame through: he wanted to stay in China, then he wanted to go to America and then return - such negotiations need a storyline set from the beginning so that fruition can be monitored, and conflicting storylines confuse. It seems that they have settled on a "student visa" route for Chen, his wife, and two children; that is good. It would have been better to have aimed for this from the beginning, but then, abandoning one's country is not easy. Once out, it is unlikely he will ever return.

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SuperLib, so the USA should look the other way? Take their orders from the Peoples Republic. I think the embassy staff just wanted to get rid of him and went along with the Chinese deception since it was in their best interests. Was watching an emergency US House session and his phone call came in from China. Chen was pleading with them to help him get to the USA, he said his life and his families life are in danger. It takes a COLD hearted person to turn away from someone in dire need.

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So spare me your excuses, the current government has embarrassed itself in the eyes of the world. My guy a wounded combat vet from Iraqi agrees with me on this fact. I do not see the government of George Bush caving in like this.

Yuri, where is the excuse? It is a fact that he left the embassy to be with his family. As stated in another post they may have gotten him out but not his family.

To the Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, you keep allowing yourself to be duped by others.

And how was she duped? Please stick to what is factual and keep the anti US rants out of this. I agree that the US is sometimes sticking its nose where it doesn't belong but in this case he had a choice to either wait out a very long stay in the embassy or be with his family. He chose his family. Can't have it both ways Yuri.

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I think the embassy staff just wanted to get rid of him and went along with the Chinese deception since it was in their best interests

And there lies the problem Yuri.......YOU think but do you KNOW this for sure? So anyone who feels the need should be spirited away from China? I feel for those in need but there was NOTHING 'cold hearted' about this. His choices where his alone.

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Yuri: "So the USA should look the other way?"

Yeah、just like they should get out of Okinawa, right?

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YuriOtani: SuperLib, so the USA should look the other way?

I'm sure they are doing what they can, within the reasonable limits of the situation. Apparently nothing less than a military operation just won't satisfy you.

Take their orders from the Peoples Republic.

His family is in freaking China. What part of that do you not understand? They aren't going anywhere unless the Chinese allow them to because they're in China and the Chinese government can't be stopped within the borders of China because it's China and they're in China and they're Chinese and the government is Chinese and the people are Chinese on Chinese soil. I could go on like this for days if you need me to.

I think the embassy staff just wanted to get rid of him and went along with the Chinese deception since it was in their best interests.

I think it's an extremely complex issue with a lot of moving parts. But if you want to think the embassy staff were just tired of seeing the guy sitting there and wanted to get back to their paperwork then go ahead. Speculate all you want.

Was watching an emergency US House session and his phone call came in from China. Chen was pleading with them to help him get to the USA, he said his life and his families life are in danger. It takes a COLD hearted person to turn away from someone in dire need.

Well maybe we should just send you over there and you say the magic words or whatever it is you think can be said to have freaking China hand over their own people to the US.

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Gary Locke and US government made a serious mistake in allowing Chen Guangcheng to leave the embassy. They should not have been so quick to trust the Chinese government and should have gotten concrete guarantees in writing. Gary Locke wanted to get rid of the problem at the embassy and without putting alot of thoughts into the consequences. Locke had leverage in negotiation over the Chinese and threw it away. Locke should resign from the post. He is too weak.

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Chen can do a lot of good for chinese people in the US...especially when china blocks all his comments

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Also, please note that US has ZERO responsibility to help this guy, and the fact that he is now badmouthing US makes me wish that my country wouldn't.

Elephunk -- horse feathers. The U.S. -- and I am a citizen -- and especially Obama and Clinton have constantly taken China to task for its human rights record and done what they could to stimulate some form of dissident movement there. And now that a prominent guy has come forward, they could not get him out of the embassy fast enough. You can't hold yourself up as the "beacon of light" that is a "force for good" in the world, and then turn your back on this guy. Hypocrits in the max.

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All you bleeding hearts out there check out this site and the links contained within to see who this Chen guy really is: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-thing-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-blind-chinese-activist-2012-5

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herefornow May. 05, 2012 - 06:46AM JST. Also, please note that US has ZERO responsibility to help this guy, and the fact that he is now badmouthing US makes me wish that my country wouldn't.

U.S. Embassy in Beijing was used in a way that embassies are not supposed to be. This seemed to be an inference that he got in with maybe the help of others. And given that Chen, that there are Chinese guards outside of the Embassy, how did Chen get inside? Was he picked up by U.S. diplomats elsewhere and then brought in?

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sfip, if the USA does not stick up for this family, who will they? I do think America is losing its compassion. Just cold logical decisions, "whats in it for us?" If China nuked a few Japanese cities and said to America, "hit our cities and we will hit yours". What would they do? A good friend is one who covers your 6 at all times.

Well that is my take, the Obama administration had a hot potato and got rid of it. Being a champion for human rights means doing the right thing at all times. Even if Chen is released the jails are filling up with his friends and supporters.

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@Elephunk

Well said.

It takes a COLD hearted person to turn away from someone in dire need.

@yuri It's always interesting hearing your skewed version of current events and history... Chen is a Chinese citizen, so the US has no obligation to stick up for him or his family...as a matter of fact, I think they did the right thing if they want to maintain any form of diplomatic ties with China....

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@YuriOtani

The US has no legal obligation to help him. We should help him because it's the MORAL thing to do. We, the American people do not support any decision which would leave him stranded in China. Don't confuse what some Embassy staffer might do with the will of the American public. There is very little we can do. This is Chinese soil, unless we get a special ops mission going on, he can't leave unless China says so.
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