Trump urges Russia to stop attacks; Rubio says U.S. might walk away from peace efforts

We cannot continue to dedicate time and resources to this effort if it's not going to come to fruition.

The needs of US national security are not up to whims of US manchildren.

He also said the U.S. and Ukraine would eventually reach an agreement over rare earth minerals and that talks continued over the weekend.

It would happen a lot faster if Trump weren't already in the car with the engine running.

It would happen a lot faster if Trump weren't already in the car with the engine running.

You don’t know that.

The needs of US national security are not up to whims of US manchildren.

Quite the opposite for the first time.

"That meeting is going to go down in the history books for President Trump, to be a president of peace," National Security Adviser Mike Waltz told Fox News' 'Sunday Morning Futures.'

Mike Waltz is certainly high on his own supply...

When asked about a Russian strike on Kyiv last week that killed civilians, Lavrov said "the target attacked was not something absolutely civilian" and that Russia only targets "sites which are used by the military."

I'm not sure why Lavrov isn't blushing when he trots out this obvious lie. Children's playgrounds aren't military targets.

Moscow, by default of having the strategic initiative - which means the advantage, which also means the upper hand - gets to lay down the terms. The EU has no such remit to be laying down anything.

This is a blatantly provoked conflict directly related to the national security of the Russian Federation, with a constitutional neutralist state being cynically manipulated to become a weaponized bulwark aimed at the heart of the former.

Pretending US national security, which exists on the other side of the planet, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

JJE

Moscow, by default of having the strategic initiative -

They don't. Russia haven't made any meaningful progress in Ukraine for months. losses are high, and vehicle stock is running out.

This is a blatantly provoked conflict directly related to the national security of the Russian Federation,

This conflict was neither provoked nor about national security of the Russian Federation.

Pretending US national security, which exists on the other side of the planet, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

Not at all. One thing we learnt from WW2, is that if you don't stop warlords like Hitler or Putin early on, you end up with bigger war on your hands.

America were slow to support Europe back then, they can't afford to be slow this time.

Their is no fool ,like Trump the fool

I saw in news that Russia have liberated Kursk during last weekend.

Is this how Ukraine prevailing/winning over Russia?

Kiev junta situation is worsening day by day and there are no cards in their hands at all.

NZ

Kiev junta situation is worsening day by day and there are no cards in their hands at all.

Well, they are winning the drone war.

They don't have to transport troops by motorbike.

They don't have to transport artillery by mule.

They are scoring big hits on ammo storage sites and drone factories.

They don't conduct large unsuccessful meat wave attacks that lose manpower without gaining ground.

"It needs to happen soon,"

Donald wants his Nobel Peace Prize soon, or he'll pick up his toys and go home.

Trump has boasted numerous times about how the war would never have started had he been president in '22. He has boasted that he could end the war in 24 hours/soon/eventually.

He can't do it. He's a loser and a quitter.

Peace talks regarding as a regional civil war conflict that started in 2014 and escalated into a global proxy war in early 2022 is no easy matter. Let's hope Trump, Rubio and Witkoff etc. can push it across the line. Why?

Because growing majorities of people from ALL Countries want Peace and Not more Unwinnable $Costly Deadly War that's destroying more and more of Ukraine's future daily, turning it into a failed state etc.

""American proposals called for U.S. recognition of Russia's control over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Moscow seized and annexed in 2014, as well as de facto recognition of Russia's hold on other parts of Ukraine.""

So this is the New World Order, Aggressors get rewarded and get to keep what they Stolen while the defenders get to Surrender and give up territory in exchange for a ceasefire.

Sound about right these days, Israel gets to keep what ever Palestinian Territory it grabs while the Palestinians get to have a Ceasefire in return.

So Wrong and So Awkward.

Trump urges Russia to stop attacks;

Please Master, PLEASE don't launch any more attacks - or at least do it more quietly...pretty please?

Rubio says U.S. might walk away from peace efforts

Little Marco throwing a tantrum, taking his toys and going home...

MAGA-losing...

HopeSpringsEternal

Peace talks regarding as a regional civil war conflict that started in 2014 and escalated into a global proxy war in early 2022 is no easy matter.

It has always been a global proxy war with Russia fighting a proxy war with separatists against Ukraine.

In 2014, Russia started the war in the Donbas.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 08:52 am JST

There is not enough gas in the world to make people believe this is a civil war and Ukrainians don't want any territorial concessions to russia.

JJEToday 07:47 am JST

Moscow, by default of having the strategic initiative - which means the advantage, which also means the upper hand - gets to lay down the terms.

It has to defend those terms in the court of civilized countries (i.e. not stealing with both hands).

The EU has no such remit to be laying down anything.

The EU is not a party to this war.

This is a blatantly provoked conflict directly related to the national security of the Russian Federation, with a constitutional neutralist state being cynically manipulated to become a weaponized bulwark aimed at the heart of the former.

There is no alternative government of Ukraine and this war is a war of aggression for territory.

Pretending US national security, which exists on the other side of the planet, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

Pretending russian national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

Please stop or we'll walk away - what an utterly pathetic response. So weak. The Russians must be laughing and rubbing their hands together and Putin will be thinking right - who's next.

The needs of US national security are not up to whims of US manchildren.

Good that there are no manchildren in US government.

Russia haven't made any meaningful progress in Ukraine for months. losses are high, and vehicle stock is running out.

There was an article on JT yesterday about Russia retaking Kursk from Ukraine. Was the article not accurate?

his top diplomat said the United States might walk away from peace efforts if it does not see progress.

Probably a good idea. Trump is doing far more harm than good at the moment, pressuring Ukraine to give up sovereign territory in violation of the UN Charter, whilst acceding to Putin's demands and rewarding his war crimes.

Better to have the US out of it completely than on Putin's side.

chatanista

Russia haven't made any meaningful progress in Ukraine for months. losses are high, and vehicle stock is running out.

There was an article on JT yesterday about Russia retaking Kursk from Ukraine. Was the article not accurate?

I'm pretty sure that Kursk is part of Russia, not Ukraine...

JJEToday 07:47 am JST

Moscow [...] gets to lay down the terms.

If its "terms" are unacceptable -- as they are -- Ukraine rightly won't sign, and instead will keep killing your Russian war criminals, as it has been doing very effectively for the past 3+ years.

Pretending US national security, which exists on the other side of the planet, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

Pretending that Russian national security was the premise for Putin's unilateral, unprovoked war of conquest is gaslighting of the first order.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 08:52 am JST

Peace talks regarding as a regional civil war conflict that started in 2014

By "regional civil war" you're clearly talking about some different region of the world.

In this one in 2014, Russia illegally annexed Crimea and started the war in Donbas.

and escalated into a global proxy war

And was escalated by Putin -- and Putin alone -- into a unilateral, unprovoked, full-scale war of conquest.

Because growing majorities of people from ALL Countries want Peace

People from all countries want Russia to stop its illegal invasion, and stop killing/torturing/raping innocent Ukrainians and abducting their children.

Sadly, that is what Putin continues to order, and is why he is wanted for war crimes.

As we said earlier, there is no much that either Trump or Rubio can do to end this terrible war.

The US industrial military complex, who is the main responsible for this terrible conflict, for the huge loss of lives on the battlefield and the destruction of the country, will never allow an end of the hostilities, while the warlords of Wall Street keep profiting through the sales of lethal weapons, and the likes of Goldman Sachs and Halliburton are about to seize what is left of value in the country through the deal with minerals and rare earth.

If there had been no decision in April 2008 to expand Nato into Ukraine the situation in Europe today and the situation regarding the European Russia relations would look fundamentally different, and we would have a peaceful Europe.

The catastrophic decision by George W. Bush and Condolezza Rice to expand Nato was totally ill conceived: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epyHOz-Pbs

trump and therefore the US are so pathetic it is sad.

FosToday 09:46 am JST

The US industrial military complex, who is the main responsible for this terrible conflict

Vladimir Putin, who is solely responsible for this terrible conflict.

Fos

As we said earlier, there is no much that either Trump or Rubio can do to end this terrible war.

Not that we have seen. They have to pressure Russia, which they seem unable or unwilling to do.

The US industrial military complex, who is the main responsible for this terrible conflict

Nope. There were Russian tanks rolling into Ukraine in 2022, not tanks from the US industrial military complex.

If there had been no decision in April 2008 to expand Nato into Ukraine

There wasn't such a decision. Ukraine didn't join NATO in 2008. Or even by 2022. When Putin invaded.

So this tired narrative is bunk.

There was an article on JT yesterday about Russia retaking Kursk from Ukraine. Was the article not accurate?

I'm pretty sure that Kursk is part of Russia, not Ukraine...

I'm pretty sure that Kursk operation was part of the Ukraine war, wasn't it? It was celebrated by the Kyiv side as its most successful operation but unfortunately it has ended in failure and tens of thousands of Ukrainian casualties. Sadly, most of their best soldiers from their elite units were lost in that operation. Russia continues to take Ukrainian villages and towns along the contact line weekly if not daily. Ukraine's biggest problem is running out of manpower. This conflict needs to end at a negotiating table soon, the terrible loss of life can not continue.

chatanista

There was an article on JT yesterday about Russia retaking Kursk from Ukraine. Was the article not accurate?

I'm pretty sure that Kursk is part of Russia, not Ukraine...

I'm pretty sure that Kursk operation was part of the Ukraine war, wasn't it?

Read my statement again: Russia haven't made any meaningful progress in Ukraine for months.

It was celebrated by the Kyiv side as its most successful operation but unfortunately it has ended in failure and tens of thousands of Ukrainian casualties.

It didn't end in failure, it ended in a strategic withdrawal.

Russia continues to take Ukrainian villages and towns along the contact line weekly if not daily.

No. They don't. What is happening to Pokrovsk? Supposedly about to fall in August 2024. Russian troops have been stalled outside Pokrovsk for 8 months.

This conflict needs to end at a negotiating table soon, the terrible loss of life can not continue.

Sure, but Putin doesn't want peace, so unless he is pressured, this war will keep going.

The needs of US national security are not up to whims of US manchildren.

Pretending russian national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

That hasn't stopped you from asserting US national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake. How convenient.

JJE

Pretending russian national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake in any way, shape or form is a gaslighting of the first order.

That hasn't stopped you from asserting US national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake. How convenient.

Having to send troops to Europe to fight a war is to the detriment of US national security, no?

It didn't end in failure, it ended in a strategic withdrawal.

That is just another word for defeat everyone knows that. It is unfortunate but there is no need to pretend it is otherwise.

No. They don't. What is happening to Pokrovsk? Supposedly about to fall in August 2024. Russian troops have been stalled outside Pokrovsk for 8 months.

True, Russians have not taken Pokrovsk, but they continue seizing other villages along the frontline and advancing.

This conflict needs to end at a negotiating table soon, the terrible loss of life can not continue.

Sure, but Putin doesn't want peace, so unless he is pressured, this war will keep going.

Good that after meeting Zelensky in Rome Trump is pivoting towards more sanctions pressure on Moscow then, isnt it.

FosToday 10:24 am JST

These mob violence, driven by meddling from figures like Victoria Nuland, John McCain, Geoffrey Pyatt and the CIA sparked a civil war.

Phone calls don't start revolutions and there has never been a civil war in modern Ukraine.

JJEToday 10:17 am JST

That hasn't stopped you from asserting US national security, as a nuclear power, is at stake. How convenient.

The US has friends it has to take care of.

chatanista

It didn't end in failure, it ended in a strategic withdrawal.

That is just another word for defeat everyone knows that. It is unfortunate but there is no need to pretend it is otherwise.

Except that a withdrawal means that your forces leave intact. Russia have been eager to sell it as a rout, which it wasn't.

No. They don't. What is happening to Pokrovsk? Supposedly about to fall in August 2024. Russian troops have been stalled outside Pokrovsk for 8 months.

True, Russians have not taken Pokrovsk, but they continue seizing other villages along the frontline and advancing.

At a snail's pace and losing many troops in the process. Russia cannot maintain making no significant gains.

This conflict needs to end at a negotiating table soon, the terrible loss of life can not continue.

Sure, but Putin doesn't want peace, so unless he is pressured, this war will keep going.

Good that after meeting Zelensky in Rome Trump is pivoting towards more sanctions pressure on Moscow then, isnt it.

Maybe he has changed, but I have no faith in Trump doing that. His predilection is still to back Russia.

Trump wants this 'territorial' matter settled and has stated he's not picking sides but wants to be fair to both.

Smart approach, because this conflict has no benefit and huge global costs in terms of empowering China, NK, Iran, will damaging global stability, fueling weapons proliferation, global arm's budgets and causing inflation.

Costly, deadly war risking WWIII escalation and a war Ukraine can never win, huge reason Trump was elected because majority of voters everywhere support PEACE.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 10:52 am JST

Trump wants this 'territorial' matter settled and has stated he's not picking sides but wants to be fair to both.

This war is existential for Ukraine. A majority of voters in Ukraine want no territorial concessions, either.

HopeSpringsEternal

Trump wants this 'territorial' matter settled and has stated he's not picking sides but wants to be fair to both.

That's like saying you aren't picking sides between a rape victim and a rapist. You want to be fair to both.

Once the US walks away, which I think is probably inevitable under Trump, there is nothing stopping Russia from massively escalating. Russia is failing to take ground on the battlefield, and with the US out of the picture, Putin could use a nuclear weapon to get everything they want. Putin would say he had no choice and Trump would say it would've never happened if Ukraine had agreed to his (surrender) plan in the first place.

Donald wants his Nobel Peace Prize soon, or he'll pick up his toys and go home.

I don't think he is thinking about it deeply, if it happens, good and if not....just as good.

Trump has boasted numerous times about how the war would never have started had he been president in '22. He has boasted that he could end the war in 24 hours/soon/eventually.

And the left took that verbatim, even though I know he didn't mean it like that; he meant he could end it, and he just might

He can't do it. He's a loser and a quitter.

That's ok if the left thinks that, we have more pressing issues in the US which should get the highest attention.

Biggest problem for Ukraine is their $proxy support is drying up, making air defense harder and harder daily.

Endgame never easy when losing territory daily, proxy partners starting to accept difficult reality on the ground in Ukraine with UA in slow retreat, poor recruitment and undermanned due to ongoing military losses.

Above makes it tougher for Zelenskyy to give up, as few citizens are happy with such losing results, especially a country that's lost many millions of educated, young and/or wealthy to abroad and is now utterly destroyed.

Let's hope Trump can deliver LONG overdue Peace, as Ukraine has senselessly and foolishly suffered enough.

bass4funk

Donald wants his Nobel Peace Prize soon, or he'll pick up his toys and go home.

I don't think he is thinking about it deeply, if it happens, good and if not....just as good.

Oh, you know he is! Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize and you don't think that Trump wants one...?

Underworld

That is just another word for defeat everyone knows that. It is unfortunate but there is no need to pretend it is otherwise...........Except that a withdrawal means that your forces leave intact. Russia have been eager to sell it as a rout, which it wasn't.

But Ukraine forces did not leave Kursk intact. Unfortunate but they suffered huge losses and were defeated, pretending otherwise is not helpful.

True, Russians have not taken Pokrovsk, but they continue seizing other villages along the frontline and advancing............At a snail's pace and losing many troops in the process.

Sure, but as many here said that Putin does not care for loosing troops and Ukraine is loosing many troops in the process too. Their manpower pool is a lot smaller than Russia.

Having to send troops to Europe to fight a war is to the detriment of US national security,

Why, there is no public support or reason for US sending troops to fight in Europe. This conflict will end at a negotiation table.

After years of telling us they love Fox News and it's the only media outlet they trust, Fox comes out with a damning poll of Trump's unpopularity...

"Trump's approval rating is now far behind every other 21st-century president at a similar point. 

"Just 38% approve of how he is handling the economy, versus 56% who disapprove.

On inflation (33% approve, 59% disapprove) and tariffs (33% approve, 58% disapprove), according to the poll."

So what do they say to this debacle from their own team's media outlet?

'Well, at least he's not down in the 20's"....

LMAO - that's like saying you're drowning in the ocean, but at least there are no sharks around....

They ain't foolin' no one - they know just like the rest of us that Trump 2.0 is crashing and burning...they just can't admit it...because cults don't work that way...

No wonder Zelenskyy is frustrated after getting everything he wanted from the Biden Admin.

Biggest contrast between Trump and Biden Admin in first 100 days is leadership style. Trump putting US interests first, why he's insisting on Minerals Deal in Ukraine to make US $whole for its huge war $support.

Biden Admin provided all $support to Ukraine in an unconditional unsecured manner, even though all other smaller proxy war partners like Japan and other NATO partners have been secured via loan schemes.

Above, WHY Trump was elected, starkly different leadership style protecting US citizens and taxpayers, first 100 days confirmed to ALL he's a US fiduciary.

The Russian Federation has friends it has to take care of.

chatanista

That is just another word for defeat everyone knows that. It is unfortunate but there is no need to pretend it is otherwise...........Except that a withdrawal means that your forces leave intact. Russia have been eager to sell it as a rout, which it wasn't.

But Ukraine forces did not leave Kursk intact. Unfortunate but they suffered huge losses and were defeated, pretending otherwise is not helpful.

Oh, I'm talking about the withdrawal. Yes, the did leave intact. Sure there were many losses on both sides and many North Koreans in the overall incursion.

Sure, but as many here said that Putin does not care for loosing troops and Ukraine is loosing many troops in the process too. Their manpower pool is a lot smaller than Russia.

You lose less troops on defense, and Ukraine is mainly fighting using drones. Also, Putin's manpower pool is dependent on huge sign-up bonuses, which with the lower price of oil may be difficult to sustain.

Having to send troops to Europe to fight a war is to the detriment of US national security,

Why, there is no public support or reason for US sending troops to fight in Europe.

They won't have any choice if Estonia, say, is invaded and Article 5 is invoked. If Putin is successful in Ukraine, the Baltics or Poland are next.

This conflict will end at a negotiation table.

Sure. But not any time soon.

After years of telling us they love Fox News and it's the only media outlet they trust, Fox comes out with a damning poll of Trump's unpopularity...

Not damning, he just started, now if these were in his last year, then hit the panic button.

"Trump's approval rating is now far behind every other 21st-century president at a similar point. 

"Just 38% approve of how he is handling the economy, versus 56% who disapprove.

Bot over 41%-50% love how he is dealing with immigration and that is huge

So what do they say to this debacle from their own team's media outlet?

'Well, at least he's not down in the 20's"....

Yes.

LMAO - that's like saying you're drowning in the ocean, but at least there are no sharks around....

But we are not in an ocean, more like, you spoke, but got a cough, drank a swig of water and were good to go.

They ain't foolin' no one - they know just like the rest of us that Trump 2.0 is crashing and burning...they just can't admit it...because cults don't work that way...

No, they just started, but the Dems are so down and destroyed that November's shellacking, they have nothing, nothing at all except time and go online sites cursing the man, kinda funny.

HopeSpringsEternal

Above, WHY Trump was elected, starkly different leadership style protecting US citizens and taxpayers, first 100 days confirmed to ALL he's a US fiduciary.

And also why is poll numbers are terrible on the handling of Ukraine.

After years of telling us they love Fox News and it's the only media outlet they trust, Fox comes out with a damning poll of Trump's unpopularity...

Not damning, he just started, now if these were in his last year, then hit the panic button.

Much copium...

"Trump's approval rating is now far behind every other 21st-century president at a similar point. 

"Just 38% approve of how he is handling the economy, versus 56% who disapprove.

Bot over 41%-50% love how he is dealing with immigration and that is huge

Bot not...

So what do they say to this debacle from their own team's media outlet?

'Well, at least he's not down in the 20's"....

Yes.

ROFL...you'll use that same excuse when he's at 5%....

LMAO - that's like saying you're drowning in the ocean, but at least there are no sharks around....

But we are not in an ocean, more like, you spoke, but got a cough, drank a swig of water and were good to go.

Your own favorite network just burst your bubble...

They ain't foolin' no one - they know just like the rest of us that Trump 2.0 is crashing and burning...they just can't admit it...because cults don't work that way...

No, they just started, but the Dems are so down and destroyed that November's shellacking, they have nothing, nothing at all except time and go online sites cursing the man, kinda funny.

Indeed - as I mentioned, your denial and dancing around the fact your own favorite network just crushed your guy is comedy gold...

Walls closing in on Ukraine fast, US is their only option, as the other NATO partners have no capacity to stand up Ukraine and keep it secure, safe and prosperous.

Time for Zelenskyy to sign US minerals deal and then commit to holding elections, as his leadership credibility is growing daily. People of Ukraine cannot be happy with sorry state of Ukraine, know they need badly US etc.