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The Kremlin fired a new intermediate-range ballistic missile at Ukraine on Thursday in response to Kyiv's use this week of American and British missiles capable of striking deeper into Russia, President Vladimir Putin said.
In a televised address to the country, the Russian president warned that U.S. air defense systems would be powerless to stop the new missile, which he said flies at ten times the speed of sound and which he called the Oreshnik — Russian for hazelnut tree. He also said it could be used to attack any Ukrainian ally whose missiles are used to attack Russia.
“We believe that we have the right to use our weapons against military facilities of the countries that allow to use their weapons against our facilities,” Putin said in his first comments since President Joe Biden gave Ukraine the green light this month to use U.S. ATACMS missiles to strike at limited targets inside Russia.
Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh confirmed that Russia’s missile was a new, experimental type of intermediate range missile based on it’s RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile.
“This was new type of lethal capability that was deployed on the battlefield, so that was certainly of concern," Singh said, noting that the missile could carry either conventional or nuclear warheads. The U.S. was notified ahead of the launch through nuclear risk reduction channels, she said.
The attack on the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro came in response to Kyiv's use of longer-range U.S. and British missiles in strikes Tuesday and Wednesday on southern Russia, Putin said. Those strikes caused a fire at an ammunition depot in Russia's Bryansk region and killed and wounded some security services personnel in the Kursk region, he said.
“In the event of an escalation of aggressive actions, we will respond decisively and in kind,” the Russian president said, adding that Western leaders who are hatching plans to use their forces against Moscow should “seriously think about this.”
Putin said the Oreshnik fired Thursday struck a well-known missile factory in Dnipro. He also said Russia would issue advance warnings if it launches more strikes with the Oreshnik against Ukraine to allow civilians to evacuate to safety — something Moscow hasn’t done before previous aerial attacks.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov initially said Russia hadn’t warned the U.S. about the coming launch of the new missile, noting that it wasn't obligated to do so. But he later changed tack and said Moscow did issue a warning 30 minutes before the launch.
Putin's announcement came hours after Ukraine claimed that Russia had used an intercontinental ballistic missile in the Dnipro attack, which wounded two people and damaged an industrial facility and rehabilitation center for people with disabilities, according to local officials. But American officials said an initial U.S. assessment indicated the strike was carried out with an intermediate-range ballistic missile.
The attack comes during a week of escalating tensions, as the U.S. eased restrictions on Ukraine's use of American-made longer-range missiles inside Russia and Putin lowered the threshold for launching nuclear weapons.
The Ukrainian air force said in a statement that the Dnipro attack was launched from Russia’s Astrakhan region, on the Caspian Sea.
“Today, our crazy neighbor once again showed what he really is,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said hours before Putin's address. “And how afraid he is.”
Russia was sending a message by attacking Ukraine with an intermediate-range ballistic missile capable of releasing multiple warheads at extremely high speeds, even if they are less accurate than cruise missiles or short-range ballistic missiles, said Matthew Savill, director of military sciences at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think tank.
“Why might you use it therefore?” Savill said. "Signaling — signaling to the Ukrainians. We’ve got stuff that outrages you. But really signaling to the West ‘We’re happy to enter into a competition around intermediate range ballistic missiles. P.S.: These could be nuclear tipped. Do you really want to take that risk?’”
Military experts say that modern ICBMs and IRBMs are extremely difficult to intercept, although Ukraine has previously claimed to have stopped some other weapons that Russia described as “unstoppable,” including the air-launched Kinzhal hypersonic missile.
David Albright, of the Washington-based think tank the Institute for Science and International Security, said he was “skeptical” of Putin’s claim, adding that Russian technology sometimes “falls short.”
He suggested Putin was “taunting the West to try to shoot it down ... like a braggart boasting, taunting his enemy.”
Earlier this week, the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use the U.S.-supplied, longer-range missiles to strike deeper inside Russia — a move that drew an angry response from Moscow.
Days later, Ukraine fired several of the missiles into Russia, according to the Kremlin. The same day, Putin signed a new doctrine that allows for a potential nuclear response even to a conventional attack on Russia by any nation that is supported by a nuclear power.
The doctrine is formulated broadly to avoid a firm commitment to use nuclear weapons. In response, Western countries, including the U.S., said Russia has used irresponsible nuclear rhetoric and behavior throughout the war to intimidate Ukraine and other nations.
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Thursday that Russia’s formal lowering of the threshold for nuclear weapons use did not prompt any changes in U.S. doctrine.
She pushed back on concerns that the decision to allow Ukraine to use Western missiles to strike deeper inside Russia might escalate the war.
″They’re the ones who are escalating this,” she said of the Kremlin — in part because of a flood of North Korean troops sent to the region.
More than 1,000 days into war, Russia has the upper hand, with its larger army advancing in Donetsk and Ukrainian civilians suffering from relentless drone and missile strikes.
Analysts and observers say the loosening of restrictions on Ukraine's use of Western missiles is unlikely to change the the course of the war, but it puts the Russian army in a more vulnerable position and could complicate the logistics that are crucial in warfare.
Putin has also warned that the move would mean that Russia and NATO are at war.
“It is an important move and it pulls against, undermines the narrative that Putin had been trying to establish that it was fine for Russia to rain down Iranian drones and North Korean missiles on Ukraine but a reckless escalation for Ukraine to use Western-supplied weapons at legitimate targets in Russia,” said Peter Ricketts, a former UK national security adviser who now sits in the House of Lords.
Associated Press writers Jill Lawless in London, and Zeke Miller and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington, contributed to this report.
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69 Comments
JJE
Important to observe this is, firstly, in defense of Donbass and, secondly, a symmetric reply to ongoing NATO aggression, which underpins the entire conflict and has recently been escalated by the Biden administration.
They didn't see that one coming. Direct reply to their cavalier missile usage in the Russian Federation.
Also relevant to reflect back in October, Zelensky himself boasted that Ukraine had become a testing ground for western weapons.
https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1859612013925703928
And it's not the first time he, or the western media, have gloated as such.
Surreal to see them claim it was an ICBM and their US sponsors contradict them.
Pertinent to consider those that think Putin is just bluffing are being very foolish. He follows through on his word.
JJE
Last 12 hours were interesting. Not long after yesterday's Ukraine thread was closed for comment, there was a whiff of strategic aviation and a potential missile strike, making it the second airstrike alert that day. There were other missiles launched, other targets hit etc on top of "hazel".
However, the hit on Dnipro stole the limelight. Kyiv regime went ballistic with claims of an ICBM (excuse the pun) and these were amplified by western media. Wasn't till later that American officials and other quarters pushed back on the notion.
Funniest thing was the staged act at the Russian FM briefing Maria Zakharova took a "phone call" with an open mic; clearly that was to troll certain quarters.
The hours went by, and footage of strikes began circulating, leading to intense speculation of the weapon platform employed. One thing was clear: this was a devastating weapon.
Looks like the man upstairs is striking down thunderbolts of destruction and vengeance:
https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/strike-2.mp4?_=2
https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/strike-1.mp4?_=1
Second video you can see six distinct barrages with six warheads each, all landing what are near parallel lines, all impacting in about 5-7 seconds.
Target package was the Yuzmash industrial plant, SW side of Dnipro.
falseflagsteve
Oh look, Putin responds in the manner I predicted.
JJE
Last night the speculation rampant was it was the dormant RS-26 'Rubezh' missile or other weapons platforms. Wasn't disproved until Putin gave his televised address.
This weapon is gnarly. Rumour it can pack eight barrages (like MIRVs) of eight warheads.
Regardless, it is the perfect conventional weapon for neutralizing large targets like military bases, installations, airfields, ports etc. Cannot be stopped at the speeds it goes and can hit anywhere in Europe and is designed to primarily to take out NATO infrastructure. Despite what the article says, it is accurate because the camera doesn't lie: it hit the target. Look at the video.
Astrakhan, mentioned in the article, has a large missile-testing range: makes sense that where it would be launched from. However, these are road mobile and can be launched from pretty much anywhere.
Underworld
JJE
No, it isn't in defense of the Donbas. Russia doesn't defend the Donbas. Do you know how many cities Russia has flattened in the Donbas.
There has been no NATO aggression. Removing restrictions on how weapons are used isn't escalation.
I think the US did.
And yet, it was planned in advance. Part of the bluff.
And that's a good thing.
Yeah, using an ICBM with a conventional warhead would be a horrendous waste of money.
He is just bluffing. This move is part of his bluff.
Nope. He never has.
Underworld
falseflagsteve
Oh look, he didn't.
Underworld
JJE
If so, it is in violation of the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty. Whereas using US/UK/French missiles in Russia isn't an escalation, this definitely is.
Jimizo
Lol. Is it ‘lit’ and ‘fire’ as well.
Mate, I don’t think talking about a filthy invasion which has seen thousands killed like this is very adult.
We aren’t teenagers looking at dream cars here. Grow up and be serious.
JJE
This is an IRBM.
And as such, this weapon system is completely legal. There has been no violation of any weapon treaty or anything else here.
Important to consider it was the US which unilaterally withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (in October 2018), which previously banned such weapons, and proceeded to develop and field such weapons, to Moscow's objections.
The unipolar Atlanticists seem to think they can withdraw from a treaty but that treaty still applies to others. It doesn't. The development was a symmetric response to US actions. The current active testing is a direct result of NATO aggression since 2014. Employing it in an environment with active AD is a prudent testing measure by any standard.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Impressed exactly no one.
JJE
Let's be very clear here: despite a poster asserting that it is "in violation of the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty".
This is completely false. The US voided said treaty by their unilateral withdrawal in 2018.
One can't just withdraw from a treaty and expect the other side to abide by it. Russia announced it would withdraw too, in reply to the US move.
So, it is NOT a violation in any way, shape or form.
Underworld
JJE
Incorrect. The US withdrew because Russia had breached the treaty by developing and deploying an intermediate-range cruise missile known as the SSC-8.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Unless it is on the countless red lines since blown past.
Is this what passes for humor in russia?
After russia obstructed all monitoring. The US withdrawing was just a formality.
Javelins and training are not a threat to russia, as pathetic as the latter's armed forces are.
Underworld
JJE
Incorrect. It's still in violation of the treaty whether the US pulled out or not. The fact that Russia was already violating the treaty was why the US pulled out.
JJE
It was also reported that the US need to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, including within South China Sea, was another reason for their move to withdraw, because China was not a signatory to the treaty. US officials extending back to the presidency of Barack Obama have noted this.
Pretending that Russia broke the treaty as an excuse for unilateral US withdrawal is the biggest copout in the history of lame excuses. Not to mention completely false.
ian
Haha hilarious
JJE
Javelins and training were in violation of neutrality and the Minsk agreements. NATO in Ukraine is an affront to public decency and a national security threat to the Russian Federation. It won't be allowed.
Underworld
JJE
To be clear, I'm not saying that Russia broke the treaty. Of course, they didn't. But the missile is in violation of that treaty.
And an escalation.
Underworld
JJE
NATO aren't in Ukraine. But Russia are. It won't be allowed.
Primusinter
The experts, I see, have lost their entire vocabulary :)))) Don't worry, no "medium range" will reach your sofas, no "intercontinental range" as well. Go study Putin's speech and physics section "kinetic energy".
News for now... Ukrainian social networks are spreading an announcement that the Verkhovna Rada has canceled meetings until December. What happened? Taiwan is not impressed. If you try the Avant-garde? 7-8 km/sec, never used before. Taiwan, what about the impression?
JJE
Everyone knows the US withdrew because of China (not that China was in theoretical violation of it).
Pretending some phantom Russian missile was the culprit is just a lame excuse - there is no other way to put it.
JJE
Hasn't occurred to you why Moscow didn't bother to employ the SSC-8 missile, which they allegedly had, for this strike - but instead went out, spent a few years, researched, developed and manufactured an entirely different one - the 'Oreshnik' - and employed that here, instead of using the 'existing' IRBM they 'already have'...
Duh...
Underworld
JJE
They wanted to test out the new one?
JJE
The testing is being done is a symmetric warzone with western AD/monitoring. Think about it: this is a major part of the premise. Seems highly odd Moscow wouldn't take the golden opportunity to test out the SSC-8 they 'allegedly have' in this environment.
ok1517
More saber rattling by Putain, but a first time in history!
Firing an ICBM with no nuclear war-heads.
He knows, if this had been the "real one" the Kremlin and many other parts of his country would be eliminated.
Now is the time to provide Ukraine with everything needed to hit back, hit those Russian marauders on their own turf! No more appeasement! Present Putain with the only language he understands: military power and superiority! And make him experience his total defeat!
Ukraine prevails (1003 days already!!)
JJE
Photo time: examine photo 4 and 5 at bottom. Click on them to zoom in. That's what happens when you go to Kursk uninvited. Photo 4 appears to be a zoomed in version of photo 5. Look at the face of the guy kneeling to the left: missing a few things isn't it.
Some dude
Photo time: examine photo 4 and 5 at bottom. Click on them to zoom in. That's what happens when you go to Kursk uninvited. Photo 4 appears to be a zoomed in version of photo 5. Look at the face of the guy kneeling to the left: missing a few things isn't it.
Your joy at the death of people is sort of unsetlling.
JJE
Yuzhmash plant (48.437030, 34.986591).
A sprawling facility that requires dozens and dozens of standard cruise missiles and it has been hit before obviously. That's why this facility was an ideal testing spot for this new IRBM. The multiple showers of warheads really have more impact. One of the CCTV camera angles showed two enormous secondary explosions that lit up the night sky like roman candles.
This is classic Kyiv misinformation: they are being dishonest every time they say this.
stormcrow
Russia has wonder weapons, but so do we. The major difference between us is that they use theirs to attack and invade, while we use ours to prevent it from happening. Who is the war monger?
Fos
JJE
The saddest part is that Ukrainians don’t make any decision: they have just been asked by Washington to do the dying on the war front, while the current US administration squeezes few more billions dollars orders in weapons between now and January.
JJE
It finally happened - our questions on Russia and Putin’s resoluteness have been answered. After a nearly two-month hiatus of major long-range strikes on energy infrastructure, Russia struck back again on the 17th with what’s again being called one of the largest strikes of the war. Then the west escalated with strikes into Russian territory. Putin revealed the updated nuclear doctrine (which was already in the pipeline) and answered back, as he said he would, with this impressive display, which has led to the evacuation of the Ukraine parliament (rada) in Kyiv. Not bad for 5 or so days.
Putin is telegraphing that he intends to pursue maximalist aims in Ukraine, which means the conflict will be settled favourably for Russia, and not some frozen conflict (or even more ridiculously, a ceasefire) along current lines which allow Kyiv to regather strength and commence hostilities down the track.
This IRBM strike is just another arrow in his quiver: albeit a big one. It was backed up by drones, cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missiles on a range of targets.
Wasabi
you must be confused now.
russia is attacking Ukraine right now.
Underworld
Fos
Washington have nothing to do with it. Ukraine decide to defend against Russia's imperialism because they are defending their country.
Primusinter
Agree tout a fait.
I do not know if you have read such information. Recently, in the speech adressed to Ukrainian soldiers at the training ground in England, Zaluzhny reassured them, saying that almost all of them would die.
Since, as he told the audience, "the war leaves almost no chance of survival," the fighters of the pro-Kiev formations need to "learn not to be afraid of death." Do NATO commanders also inspire their soldiers with similar speeches? You all will die, so learn not to be afraid of death.
Underworld
JJE
Which is no change from before.
Unfortunately for Putin, the majority of Russian people are tired of this war and with high inflation, high interest rates, and a weak Ruble, businesses are failing. Even military manufacturer businesses are suffering because the Kremlin setd the prices for their weapons.
Which means that Putin has a limited time to "win" before the country, members of the Kremlin, or oligarchs turn on him.
JJE
This article explains the dishonesty behind NATO missile attacks on Russia under the manipulative smokescreen of "Ukraine has the right to defend itself" and the hypocrisy that underpins it.
https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/the-us-approves-long-range-missile
Burgerland
The mental gymnastics and predictions of the ' Russia is loosing, out of weapons, economy in tatters...Ukraine is winning, West won't allow this and that " rhetoric expert crowd are as hollow as they are wrong. Constantly wrong. Enough lives lost on both sides, Ukrainian people deserve ceasefire and peace, no more warmongering and conflict prolonging by pro Biden/ Harris elements on their way out.
Burgerland
Which means that Putin has a limited time to "win" before the country, members of the Kremlin, or oligarchs turn on him.
Pure fantasy. Won't happen.
Burgerland
Impressed exactly no one.
' Let's keep the war going ' experts might be more impressed if they actually were posting from the frontlines instead of a chair half the world away.
ok1517
Burgerland,
agreed!
But this is Russia's Putain's war!
He invaded a foreign country, not just 1003 days ago, even before that.
He terrorizes civilians, his marauders murder, rape, deport, and destroy!
The war can end today, if those Russian hordes get out of all Ukraine, included but not limited to Crimea.
If those Russian terrorists present themselves at DeHague to be prosecuted like in 1945 ~ 1949!
If all of President Zelenskyy's conditions for peace negotiations are met.
Because without those pre-conditions Putain will keep on going.
Burgerland
If those Russian terrorists present themselves at DeHague to be prosecuted like in 1945 ~ 1949!
If all of President Zelenskyy's conditions for peace negotiations are met."
But those conditions are pure fantasy. Negotiations need, and eventually will have to reflect reality.
There has been no NATO aggression. Removing restrictions on how weapons are used isn't escalation.'
Lol, really, this is gold, everyone is in stitches again.
mrtinjp
And why does Russia need a intercontinental ballistic missile against someone who is next door and not in another continent, nice narrative, keep it going...
dobre vam zajebava
privet from Yuzhmash.....all fine no problem "just" UA missile building facility is completely wiped out...
no big deal as Ukraine still prevails...
question
why NATO wunderwaffen and highly skilled UA forces did not stop Oreshnik?
Zaphod
That is correct, and it is a reminder to the Western war parties to stop playing with fire. They can not stop these things, they can reach everywhere and nobody can determine if they are conventional or nuclear equipped. It should be a warning shot across the bow of London and Washington. But the Starmer and Biden crowd still seems to think this is a game, and that they can escalate as much as they want.
Underworld
JJE
And yet Ukraine does have the right to defend itself, as mush as your RT stooges want to whine that they don't have that right.
Zaphod
JJE
Yep, Glenn Diesen is another commentator that is totally ignored in the biased mainstream media, just like John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs. Sadly, many people take their information only from the alphabet soup media.
Underworld
Zaphod
Ukraine with new missile that he claims West can't stop
Just like they can't stop Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. And yet they can.
Starmer and Biden aren't escalating.
dobre vam zajebava
Just like they can't stop Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. And yet they can
Starmer and Biden aren't escalating.
PROVE BOTH LINES.
2020hindsights lets go and look into your sources.
Underworld
Zaphod
Well, everyone, because he's an RT stooge. Nobody takes him seriously.
John Mearsheimer had a theory about NATO expansion and even though it has been thoroughly debunked, he still clings onto it. It belies an intellectual dishonesty and lack of humility.
It's important to note that Mearsheimer was convinced in early 2022 that Russia would not invade Ukraine. Probably best to get opinions from poeple who got it right in 2022.
Another hack who gets money from Russia.
Sadly, many people take their information only from the alphabet soup media.
Primusinter
Yugoslavia and Iraq are convincing evidence of this!
By the way, today in a nightly speech, Zel said: "The world must respond to this. Now there is no strong reaction from the world. Putin is very sensitive to this. It checks you out, dear partners."
Why aren't you, in the West, reacting? Aren't you listening to Zelensky? He is trying hard to talk every night. And then only one Taiwan reacted that he was not impressed by the Oreshnik. But Yuzhmash doesn't exist anymore!
fallaffel
If this is all the response Putin gives, then the long-range missile attacks on actual Russia (not occupied Ukraine) should have been authorized a couple years ago.
Putin is also inadvertently acknowledging that occupied Ukraine is not really Russia. It's good he knows this.
Zaphod
Underworld
Yeah, I know. Anyone who speaks against the establishment narrative is an "RT stooge". Did you even know his name?
And by the way, is William Burns, ex Moscow ambassador and CIA chief, also an "RT stooge"? Please confirm.
Zaphod
fallaffel
So at which point do you take him seriously? The moment a ballistic missile hits a target in the UK or USA? The moment it has a nuclear warhead? Please explain.
Your logic here seems to be the idea that you can poke a bear endlessly and be sure it will not bite you, based on the logic that it has not bitten you until now. Take a step back and think about if that holds.
dobre vam zajebava
2020hindsights
you are late.
where are your PROOFS for your lines?
busy with googling for it?
Underworld
Zaphod
Well, everyone, because he's an RT stooge. Nobody takes him seriously.
No. Working for RT, make you an RT stooge.
Well, William Burns doesn't work for RT, so no.
Zaphod
Underworld
Misrepresentation. UKR had already reached a settlement with Russia in Istanbul, before Boris Johnson torpedoed it.
The question you should answer is: Have Washington and London the right to have the UK and USA shoot missiles, via proxy, into the territory of another superpower that they have not decared war against? What would your comment be if North Korea shot Russia supplied ballistic rockets into the US?
Underworld
Zaphod
fallaffel
If this is all the response Putin gives, then the long-range missile attacks on actual Russia (not occupied Ukraine) should have been authorized a couple years ago.
You completely misunderstand. fallafel is saying that Putin objects to ATACMS because they require NATO involvement. (They don't, but that's the excuse.) So, if the 4 provinces that Putin now calls Russia (and Crimea) have been hit by ATACMS, so why wasn't the red line crossed then?
Why is it just crossed now?
Underworld
Zaphod
Underworld
And yet Ukraine does have the right to defend itself, as mush as your RT stooges want to whine that they don't have that right.
Boris Johnson didn't topple anything. And now the Russian peace proposal has been leaked, Ukraine would never had agreed to it. It was humiliating.
They don't.
Mr Kipling
Ukraine claims a lot of things that are obviously not true. They have not shot down a single Kinzhal missile.
Zaphod
Underworld
Ukr negotiators said that had. Which of course you will not read in the mainstream bubble media.
They are doing exactly that it with these Atacms (sp) and Stormshadow things. And Zelenski is asking for Taurus and Tomahawk systems, which would of course be another escalation. You are just evading the question. So again, would you be OK with NK attacking the US mainland with Russian weapons?
dobre vam zajebava
go back to topic everyone.
fact is that UA and NATO could not stop Oreshnik.
again-NO CHANCE TO STOP IT.
Zaphod
Underworld
Neither do Glenn Diesen, John Mearsheimer or Jeffrey Sachs.
Anyway, here is William Burns (before the current armed conflict started):
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”
So does Burns now work for RT too?
TokyoLiving
Don't test Putin's patience..
Underworld
Zaphod
No, they didn't.
Here is some of that peace proposal from Russia. Remember, that Russia had much more territory back then:
In terms of territorial concessions, Ukraine was expected to cede Crimea and the Donbas region outright, while also accepting the ongoing occupation of areas then under Russian control until Moscow deemed that its conditions had been fully met. Kyiv would also have been forced to grant Russian the status of official state language and adopt a range of laws targeting Ukrainian religion, history, and national identity that harked back the russification policies of the Soviet and Tsarist empires.
The most detailed and revealing segment of the draft peace treaty dealt with Ukraine’s demilitarization. Russia called for the Ukrainian army to be drastically reduced to a skeleton force of just fifty thousand personnel. This was approximately one-fifth of the prewar total and a tiny fraction of Ukraine’s current military, which is believed to number around one million soldiers. Meanwhile, tight restrictions were to be imposed on the quantity of armor Ukraine could possess, the types of missiles the country could develop, and the size of the Ukrainian Air Force.
It wasn't BoJo that scuttled it. It was the audacity of Russia's position.
TokyoLiving
https://giphy.com/gifs/chicken-bro-WO69ltlJZp0ZwI98kN
Underworld
Zaphod
Sure. If the US had an imperialistic war of aggression against NK and looked to annex it as the 51st state of the US of A.
dobre vam zajebava
question
why NATO could not stop Oreshnik?
why UA defence could not stop Oreshnik?
some of you are saying that Ukraine prevails and they can stop ANYTHING...well flattened Yuzhmash does not seems to me as conflict prevailing sign at all and lines abt how UA can STOP ANYTHING without prrofs and links is just a pure HOAX.
well I am sorry but UA is ending for GOOD.
its hard for some of you to admit but this is a FACT.
Underworld
Zaphod
Well, William Burns doesn't work for RT, so no.
Diesen does.
I never said these guys did. They are just wrong.
I have no doubt that Ukraine's entry to NATO would annoy many of the Russian elite, mostly because it would put Ukraine under NATO's protection, and hence they would be unable to invade it.
It also aligns Ukraine with the West, which Russian elite would not like: a democratic and prosperous neighbor.
But to think that Ukraine joining NATO is an existential threat to a nuclear power is pure folly.
So the "direct challenge" looks a bit like an overreach.
No.
dobre vam zajebava
still get no proofs I have asked for...maybe easier to ask for list of people paid by RT?
;)