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P_C
Understand the words in the sentence, but don't understand how this would actually work in the current real world. Please help me out old wise JT readers.
Tamarama
First, you need to separate yourself from the prevailing meta narrative that China are somehow the evil empire hell bent on world domination. Forget that.
China has been THE and cultural heavyweight in Asia for several thousand years and THE central socio-political pillar of Asia. Nobody knows Asia and the geo-political realities of this part of the world better than they, despite hegemonic external forces trying to insist otherwise.
China and Japan should work towards better ties and understanding - this is regionally responsible by them both. But they certainly have forces trying their level best to keep them apart, that's for sure.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just make sure they know how to answer hotlines. It's a big problem with the Chinese.
TaiwanIsNotChina
We don't live in might makes right anymore. China needs to be taught to negotiate as an equal only.
Peter Neil
it’s called intelligence gathering.
Fos
The big US industrial military complex will try to obstruct the ongoing process, and guide the manipulative narrative against China, but hopefully Japan will realize that a peaceful coexistence with Beijing is possible and the US warmongering is not the only solution.
Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia, that would be the starting point of any conversation.
kurisupisu
TaiwanIsNotChina
Sources of the US bullying countries in actuality or nonsense (Trump fantasies don't count).
TaiwanIsNotChina
Asia fears China, that would be the starting point of any conversation.
OssanAmerica
Yes, first you need to deny reality. You must believe that China is not at odds with multiple nations over territory in the South China Sea, which they have militarized despite having claimed they wouldn't. You must also accept that China will never take military action against Taiwan, although they refuse to denounce the use of force and continue to threaten the democratic defacto nation. And China is not carrying out an economic war of cyberattacks and IP theft of western businesses. We could go on and on, but that's all just prevailing narrative. As the CCP is fond of saying, you must correct your thinking.
Fos
OssanAmerica
Absolutely, we could go on and on.
The U.S. controls about 800 military bases in more than 90 countries worldwide, as opposed to 3 or 4 of China globally. And yet the US military-industrial complex narrative wants us to believe it’s China and Russia that seek world domination and are the biggest threat to world peace, not the United States.
As a fact the US is trying to advance its "Indo-Pacific" strategy to contain China, fanning the flames in the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan Straits and South China Sea.
The only military risk that we face from China is if we continue as a proxy for the US in its endless wars, as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy.
And we are here to remind the world just that!
antibotter
@Tamarama
You mean the china that willingly unleashed covid on the world, killing millions, causing trillions in loss, buying up properties in other countries when the local businesses were at their lowest, harvest organs from live political prisoners, cheats, lies and is generally the biggest bully on the planet tied with ruzzia, is not evil?
Glad we are on the same page.
BigP
The word “Trust” is not often heard with regards to China.
rocketpig
China should help Japan re-militarise
deanzaZZR
Projection much? Have you even visited Asia? Studied an Asian language? Earned a degree in a field related to Asia?
Majority of ASEAN people favor China over U.S., survey finds
TSUBASA SURUGA, Nikkei staff writer
April 2, 2024 12:00 JST
Updated on April 2, 2024 13:09 JST
Singapore -- Over half of Southeast Asians would now prefer to align with China over the U.S. if ASEAN were forced to choose between the rival superpowers, a regional survey by Singapore-based think tank showed Tuesday, reflecting Beijing's growing influence in the region.
Fos
deanzaZZR
Right on. You can only laugh at the desperate attempts of the US Department (see antibotter) to discredit China’s role in Asia, without a shred of evidence, copying and pasting manipulative narratives coming from the US military industrial complex
deanzaZZR
Well said. I hope to see it come to pass in my lifetime.
Ken
I wouldn't trust a country that would order it's military to run over their own people with tanks and then censor it happening and mute their people as well as the anniversary of that date they restrict all their social media to eliminate any form of "silent peaceful protesting"
BertieWooster
China and Japan need to talk. And this means both listening to the other. That is rationality. The US approach is to use force. They give out orders. They don't listen and they enforce their orders with sanctions.
Cephus
"Chinese military delegation to visit Japan."
The Chinese men are currently the only military who haven't defiled themselves with the woke progressive craziness. Keep it up Sir Xi
Fos
Ken
I would not trust a country, United States of America, who provides hundreds of billions of dollars in lethal weapons (exclusively Made in America) to countries in different continents, including Asia (Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean, Japan), promoting warmongering (officially deterrence) as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy. We have seen the solutions in Middle East and Ukraine
Wasabi
After trump threat to Panama, Canada and GreenLand it maybe time for Japan to find better friends. Japan must keep his options open.
Ken
So you don't like the idea of countries in Asia being able to defend themselves when there are threats like China, North Korea and Russia just doing whatever the hell they want? Ukraine is trying to protect their land and their people. And the Middle East is the Middle East more than half Americans don't support Israel's actions. The highest ranking people can't hold them accountable for their war crimes
Peter14
The starting point is, your statement is a blatant lie. Move on from that to the truth, that China is hostile and wants control over the region and all in it. China is building the worlds largest military to do exactly that.
Moving into the territory of other nations and claiming it for China, building a new Imperium ruled by the Chinese Communist party. Weight of numbers in foreign waters forces smaller, weaker nations to eventually cede their territory. It is happening through the South China sea, and in the East China sea.
China is NOT WELCOMED, China is an unwanted pest in Asia, that should be the starting point of any conversation.
Peter14
Oh please. China sells cheap weapons to anyone who can pay, all around the world (exclusively made in China) While Russia also sells weapons around the globe to all and sundry (exclusively made in Russia), promoting wars, civil conflicts and warmongering.
And we see the solutions in the South China sea, Philippines and Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine.
Ken
The Americans with a good moral compass don't like Trump, we tried to prevent this from happening because we weren't joking when we said he's bad news and will play the blame game and cause wars. It's not just America's problem it is everyone's problem. And on the same note I think China won't be satisfied until all of Asia is China because we all know what happened to Hong Kong which was it's own country
geronimo2006
China's massive military buildup can't be trusted nor misunderstood. The message from their side is crystal clear. We plan to dominate this region, and don't get in our way.
isabelle
But the PRC hasn't. Its particular brand of totalitarian oppression has only been around since 1949.
Of course, you can go back into Chinese history before 1949, but then you will encounter the inconvenient truth that the still-existing ROC predates it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/07/asia/taiwan-china-motherland-history-hnk-intl/index.html
Yes, they "should." But sadly, this will not be possible at least until Xi dies or is perhaps removed in a palace coup.
Yes, Xi and the CCP. They continue to do more than anyone to ruin relations with Japan and everyone else in the region.
The only party using force around here is China.
Neither the US, nor anyone else, is ramming and water-cannoning ships, illegally building and militarizing islands, cutting internet cables, threatening to annex peaceful countries, etc.
deanzaZZR
@geronimo2006 That is an interesting take. Below is a table of military spending by major powers in the region.
Spending % of GDP
Russia 6.3%
United States 3.4%
South Korea 2.8%
India 2.4%
China 1.8%
Japan 1.2%
Wikipedia, 2023 numbers
isabelle
This line again? You do love your copy-paste, don't you?
Then, I'll return the favor yet again:
...
What utterly ridiculous logic.
Does Asia welcome North Korea because it is in Asia? Did China welcome Imperial Japan because it was in Asia? Laughable.
TaiwanIsNotChina
No one knows what China really spends because everything is deceit with that country.
Fos
Ken
That’s a nice line Ken!
It reminds me of the the statements of US department: “The president has made clear Israel has a right to defend its citizens, consistent with international law and international humanitarian law”.
According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.
With the outbreak of war in Gaza, the arms revenues of the three companies based in Israel in the Top 100 reached $13.6 billion. This was the highest figure ever recorded by Israeli companies in the SIPRI Top 100.
https://www.sipri.org/media/press-release/2024/worlds-top-arms-producers-see-revenues-rise-back-wars-and-regional-tensions#:~:text=South%20Korean%20and%20Japanese%20companies,'
The truth is the West makes a big deal of the fact that it is morally virtuous but to me it looks like hypocrisy in the extreme.
Fos
isabelle
Just to put into contest these random dispatches from the US State Department, inciting anti-China sentiments by any means, and give some historical hindsight:
Reality check: United States of America military spending in 2023 was over $900 billions, 3 times as much as China, based on the statistics from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
The U.S. controls around 800 military bases in more than 90 countries worldwide, as opposed to 3 or 4 of China globally. And yet the US military-industrial complex narrative wants us to believe it’s China and Russia that seek world domination and are the biggest threat to world peace, not the United States
China has not been engaged in military activity for the past forty years. In that time, the US has overthrown numerous governments and illegally invaded many countries.
Of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (who represent the great powers), only one has not fought a war in 40 years: China. In contrast to China, in the last three decades, America has fought a war or been involved in military actions every year.
For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace, unlike United States of America. China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.
TokyoLiving
Excellent..
China and Japan need each other..
Nice and good relationships between both..
US, stay out of this..
TaiwanIsNotChina
I like all of your numbers because they prove my point: the US is not spending that much when it has to reach across the world to throw China and russia back.
TaiwanIsNotChina
No, we don't need to replicate wage slavery and fascism.
Peter14
Lack of personal freedoms being top of CCP list. Do as your all knowing CCP government official tells you. Do not question it, do not think for yourself and above all do not oppose our rule. Replicate that around the world? You must be kidding.
Never in a million years!
Fos
Peter14
We will never allow in a million years in Asia the warmongering of Unites States of America. We have seen it in Middle East and Ukraine and there is no space for that
Peter14
FOS
As usual your well off target. Israel is responsible for its own response to Hamas attack, and Russia alone is responsible for its invasion of Ukraine. Attempting to shift blame or focus to the US is to ignore the truth for your own ends.
Fos
Peter14
That is a pretty laughable answer, and you know it very well that that terrible conflict would end the first 24 hours the US administration stops shipping lethal weapons to Israel. Over $30 billions (officially) since January 2024. But, as we know, there is too much at stake for the US lobbies in Wall Street.
So you are saying that is the example we should follow as oppose to China.
Inciting anti-Beijing sentiments by any means and the manipulative narrative of the US State department on behalf of the big industrial military complex will not bring dialogue and trade, diplomacy amongst neighbors and economic growth in Asia.
We have demonstrated time and time again that United States of America historically is the most aggressive country by far, and the only military risk that we face from China is if we continue as a proxy for the US in its endless wars
China is determined that it must have the military capability to defend its homeland. However, it does not project its military power around the globe as does the US.
For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace, unlike United States of America. China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.
TaiwanIsNotChina
So basically allies of the US risk unprovoked attack from China. Good to know.
China doesn't need the world's largest navy to defend its homeland.
A carefully selected date as always and belligerence in the Taiwan Strait and SCS is not peace.
The world does not need to replicate fascism.
masterblaster
Keep an eye on the electronic devices. It wouldn't be that difficult for agents to install spyware at various locations.
Peter14
FOS
You know very well it wouldn't stop at all. The Israeli government is run by a criminal using this "conflict" to hide for his pathetic leadership and waiting criminal cases.
China has nothing to do with Israel's war against Palestinian people. But China is not a nation that should be emulated in any way for its own glaringly obvious reasons.
You seem to be the only one talking up a false narrative about everything bad being due to military industries, which for some reason you limit to America, never mentioning the billions is sales of weapons around the world by both China and Russia. That truth wouldn't suit your anti America stance.
Garbage (smoke screen). Nobody is threatening China's homeland. China threatens many and the list increases the longer Xi is in power. You know that well but hid behind your smoke screens.
With constant streams of cash investment in China by US and world companies you now paint as evil.
To have one party states with great limits on personal freedoms, aiming to build the worlds largest military, and actively try to push other nations out of their own territory, claim ownership of international waters and air space, and plan to invade other nations. That is China today and you want that replicated? Total madness.
Peter14
If Xi stopped supporting Russia in its brutal and illegal invasion of peaceful Ukraine, that war would end in 24 hours. China buys enough oil and gas from Russia to prop it up, it buys Russian goods and sells components to Russia to keep making weapons that ensure the invasion continues.
China's is conducting its own proxy war against Ukraine, to support its "friend" Russia in this murderous enterprise and has done for years now. Shame on China.
Fos
Peter14
It seems to me I am not the only one. Look around you, and above all ask yourself: is this the world you want to reproduce in Asia with the continuous warmongering narrative of the US State department, after what the tensions they have incited in Eastern Europe and Middle East? And NOT, "The Israeli government is NOT run by a criminal", it is certainly financed by the US Congress who does not have the right to say which country is good and which country is bad on the the other side of the world, where China belongs.
Peter14
They have much more credibility than Chinese "officials". There are many examples of Chinese radio transmissions to various nations to "leave the area" when nowhere near China or its territory. Chinese planes dropping flares in the path of other nations aircraft hundreds of miles from the nearest Chinese territory. All facts.
Wrong again. They massively increased purchases of oil and gas to give currency to Russia's economy of war, and the sale of components used in Russian drones and missiles is shown graphically by Ukraine as parts are examined for used ordinance. But you dont trust Ukraine, just like you dont trust Philippines, or anyone that show how bad China really is.
China's "proxy war" is exactly as real as America's so called "proxy war". Either both are real or both are false. So which is it?
Peter14
Since your perspective is as fake as your accusations against the US being responsible for the actions of other sovereign nations. Your "question" is unanswerable. Suffice to say Democracy is the best way forward for personal freedoms, and the draconian autocratic policies China has shown during Xi's rule are a pointer of what NOT TO DO.
Having said that, The US will soon be following Xi's examples, no doubt, under Trumps disgraceful leadership.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The China apologist is not credible when he says things period.