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The visit is also aimed at promoting defense exchanges between China and Japan, it said.

Understand the words in the sentence, but don't understand how this would actually work in the current real world. Please help me out old wise JT readers.

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Understand the words in the sentence, but don't understand how this would actually work in the current real world. Please help me out old wise JT readers.

First, you need to separate yourself from the prevailing meta narrative that China are somehow the evil empire hell bent on world domination. Forget that.

China has been THE and cultural heavyweight in Asia for several thousand years and THE central socio-political pillar of Asia. Nobody knows Asia and the geo-political realities of this part of the world better than they, despite hegemonic external forces trying to insist otherwise.

China and Japan should work towards better ties and understanding - this is regionally responsible by them both. But they certainly have forces trying their level best to keep them apart, that's for sure.

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Just make sure they know how to answer hotlines. It's a big problem with the Chinese.

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TamaramaToday 07:15 am JST

We don't live in might makes right anymore. China needs to be taught to negotiate as an equal only.

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it’s called intelligence gathering.

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The big US industrial military complex will try to obstruct the ongoing process, and guide the manipulative narrative against China, but hopefully Japan will realize that a peaceful coexistence with Beijing is possible and the US warmongering is not the only solution. 

Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia, that would be the starting point of any conversation.

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We don't live in might makes right anymore. The US needs to be taught to negotiate as an equal only.

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kurisupisuToday 08:34 am JST

We don't live in might makes right anymore. The US needs to be taught to negotiate as an equal only.

Sources of the US bullying countries in actuality or nonsense (Trump fantasies don't count).

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FosToday 08:30 am JST

Asia fears China, that would be the starting point of any conversation.

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TamaramaToday  07:15 am JST

Understand the words in the sentence, but don't understand how this would actually work in the current real world. Please help me out old wise JT readers.

First, you need to separate yourself from the prevailing meta narrative that China are somehow the evil empire hell bent on world domination. Forget that.

Yes, first you need to deny reality. You must believe that China is not at odds with multiple nations over territory in the South China Sea, which they have militarized despite having claimed they wouldn't. You must also accept that China will never take military action against Taiwan, although they refuse to denounce the use of force and continue to threaten the democratic defacto nation. And China is not carrying out an economic war of cyberattacks and IP theft of western businesses. We could go on and on, but that's all just prevailing narrative. As the CCP is fond of saying, you must correct your thinking.

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OssanAmerica

Absolutely, we could go on and on.

The U.S. controls about 800 military bases in more than 90 countries worldwide, as opposed to 3 or 4 of China globally. And yet the US military-industrial complex narrative wants us to believe it’s China and Russia that seek world domination and are the biggest threat to world peace, not the United States.

As a fact the US is trying to advance its "Indo-Pacific" strategy to contain China, fanning the flames in the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan Straits and South China Sea.

The only military risk that we face from China is if we continue as a proxy for the US in its endless wars, as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy.

And we are here to remind the world just that!

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@Tamarama

You mean the china that willingly unleashed covid on the world, killing millions, causing trillions in loss, buying up properties in other countries when the local businesses were at their lowest, harvest organs from live political prisoners, cheats, lies and is generally the biggest bully on the planet tied with ruzzia, is not evil?

Glad we are on the same page.

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The word “Trust” is not often heard with regards to China.

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China should help Japan re-militarise

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Projection much? Have you even visited Asia? Studied an Asian language? Earned a degree in a field related to Asia?

Asia fears China, that would be the starting point of any conversation.

Majority of ASEAN people favor China over U.S., survey finds

TSUBASA SURUGA, Nikkei staff writer

April 2, 2024 12:00 JST

Updated on April 2, 2024 13:09 JST

Singapore -- Over half of Southeast Asians would now prefer to align with China over the U.S. if ASEAN were forced to choose between the rival superpowers, a regional survey by Singapore-based think tank showed Tuesday, reflecting Beijing's growing influence in the region.

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deanzaZZR

Projection much? Have you even visited Asia? Studied an Asian language? Earned a degree in a field related to Asia?

Right on. You can only laugh at the desperate attempts of the US Department (see antibotter) to discredit China’s role in Asia, without a shred of evidence, copying and pasting manipulative narratives coming from the US military industrial complex

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Well said. I hope to see it come to pass in my lifetime.

China and Japan should work towards better ties and understanding - this is regionally responsible by them both. But they certainly have forces trying their level best to keep them apart, that's for sure.

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I wouldn't trust a country that would order it's military to run over their own people with tanks and then censor it happening and mute their people as well as the anniversary of that date they restrict all their social media to eliminate any form of "silent peaceful protesting"

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China and Japan need to talk. And this means both listening to the other. That is rationality. The US approach is to use force. They give out orders. They don't listen and they enforce their orders with sanctions.

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"Chinese military delegation to visit Japan."

The Chinese men are currently the only military who haven't defiled themselves with the woke progressive craziness. Keep it up Sir Xi

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Ken

I would not trust a country, United States of America, who provides hundreds of billions of dollars in lethal weapons (exclusively Made in America) to countries in different continents, including Asia (Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean, Japan), promoting warmongering (officially deterrence) as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy. We have seen the solutions in Middle East and Ukraine

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After trump threat to Panama, Canada and GreenLand it maybe time for Japan to find better friends. Japan must keep his options open.

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I would not trust a country, United States of America, who provides hundreds of billions of dollars in lethal weapons (exclusively Made in America) to countries in different continents, including Asia (Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean, Japan), promoting warmongering (officially deterrence) as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy. We have seen the solutions in Middle East and Ukraine

So you don't like the idea of countries in Asia being able to defend themselves when there are threats like China, North Korea and Russia just doing whatever the hell they want? Ukraine is trying to protect their land and their people. And the Middle East is the Middle East more than half Americans don't support Israel's actions. The highest ranking people can't hold them accountable for their war crimes

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Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia, that would be the starting point of any conversation.

The starting point is, your statement is a blatant lie. Move on from that to the truth, that China is hostile and wants control over the region and all in it. China is building the worlds largest military to do exactly that.

Moving into the territory of other nations and claiming it for China, building a new Imperium ruled by the Chinese Communist party. Weight of numbers in foreign waters forces smaller, weaker nations to eventually cede their territory. It is happening through the South China sea, and in the East China sea.

China is NOT WELCOMED, China is an unwanted pest in Asia, that should be the starting point of any conversation.

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I would not trust a country, United States of America, who provides hundreds of billions of dollars in lethal weapons (exclusively Made in America) to countries in different continents, including Asia (Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean, Japan), promoting warmongering (officially deterrence) as opposed to dialogue and diplomacy.

Oh please. China sells cheap weapons to anyone who can pay, all around the world (exclusively made in China) While Russia also sells weapons around the globe to all and sundry (exclusively made in Russia), promoting wars, civil conflicts and warmongering.

We have seen the solutions in Middle East and Ukraine.

And we see the solutions in the South China sea, Philippines and Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine.

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After trump threat to Panama, Canada and GreenLand it maybe time for Japan to find better friends. Japan must keep his options open.

The Americans with a good moral compass don't like Trump, we tried to prevent this from happening because we weren't joking when we said he's bad news and will play the blame game and cause wars. It's not just America's problem it is everyone's problem. And on the same note I think China won't be satisfied until all of Asia is China because we all know what happened to Hong Kong which was it's own country

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China's massive military buildup can't be trusted nor misunderstood. The message from their side is crystal clear. We plan to dominate this region, and don't get in our way.

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TamaramaToday 07:15 am JST

China has been THE and cultural heavyweight in Asia for several thousand years

But the PRC hasn't. Its particular brand of totalitarian oppression has only been around since 1949.

Of course, you can go back into Chinese history before 1949, but then you will encounter the inconvenient truth that the still-existing ROC predates it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/07/asia/taiwan-china-motherland-history-hnk-intl/index.html

China and Japan should work towards better ties and understanding

Yes, they "should." But sadly, this will not be possible at least until Xi dies or is perhaps removed in a palace coup.

But they certainly have forces trying their level best to keep them apart, that's for sure.

Yes, Xi and the CCP. They continue to do more than anyone to ruin relations with Japan and everyone else in the region.

BertieWoosterToday 10:57 am JST

The US approach is to use force.

The only party using force around here is China.

Neither the US, nor anyone else, is ramming and water-cannoning ships, illegally building and militarizing islands, cutting internet cables, threatening to annex peaceful countries, etc.

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@geronimo2006 That is an interesting take. Below is a table of military spending by major powers in the region.

Spending % of GDP

Russia 6.3%

United States 3.4%

South Korea 2.8%

India 2.4%

China 1.8%

Japan 1.2%

Wikipedia, 2023 numbers

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FosToday 08:30 am JST

Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia

This line again? You do love your copy-paste, don't you?

Then, I'll return the favor yet again:

...

What utterly ridiculous logic.

Does Asia welcome North Korea because it is in Asia? Did China welcome Imperial Japan because it was in Asia? Laughable.

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deanzaZZRToday 02:03 pm JST

No one knows what China really spends because everything is deceit with that country.

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Ken

the Middle East is the Middle East 

That’s a nice line Ken!

It reminds me of the the statements of US department: “The president has made clear Israel has a right to defend its citizens, consistent with international law and international humanitarian law”. 

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.

With the outbreak of war in Gaza, the arms revenues of the three companies based in Israel in the Top 100 reached $13.6 billion. This was the highest figure ever recorded by Israeli companies in the SIPRI Top 100. 

https://www.sipri.org/media/press-release/2024/worlds-top-arms-producers-see-revenues-rise-back-wars-and-regional-tensions#:~:text=South%20Korean%20and%20Japanese%20companies,'

The truth is the West makes a big deal of the fact that it is morally virtuous but to me it looks like hypocrisy in the extreme.

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isabelle

Just to put into contest these random dispatches from the US State Department, inciting anti-China sentiments by any means, and give some historical hindsight:

Reality check: United States of America military spending in 2023 was over $900 billions, 3 times as much as China, based on the statistics from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute  

The U.S. controls around 800 military bases in more than 90 countries worldwide, as opposed to 3 or 4 of China globally. And yet the US military-industrial complex narrative wants us to believe it’s China and Russia that seek world domination and are the biggest threat to world peace, not the United States

China has not been engaged in military activity for the past forty years. In that time, the US has overthrown numerous governments and illegally invaded many countries.

Of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (who represent the great powers), only one has not fought a war in 40 years: China. In contrast to China, in the last three decades, America has fought a war or been involved in military actions every year.

For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace, unlike United States of America. China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

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Excellent..

China and Japan need each other..

Nice and good relationships between both..

US, stay out of this..

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Full of SomethingToday 04:55 pm JST

If you don't like the neutral Sipri index why don't you check the Statista research:

I like all of your numbers because they prove my point: the US is not spending that much when it has to reach across the world to throw China and russia back.

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FosToday 04:46 pm JST

China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

No, we don't need to replicate wage slavery and fascism.

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FosToday 04:46 pm JST

China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

Lack of personal freedoms being top of CCP list. Do as your all knowing CCP government official tells you. Do not question it, do not think for yourself and above all do not oppose our rule. Replicate that around the world? You must be kidding.

Never in a million years!

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Peter14

Never in a million years!

We will never allow in a million years in Asia the warmongering of Unites States of America. We have seen it in Middle East and Ukraine and there is no space for that

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FOS

We will never allow in a million years in Asia the warmongering of Unites States of America. We have seen it in Middle East and Ukraine and there is no space for that

As usual your well off target. Israel is responsible for its own response to Hamas attack, and Russia alone is responsible for its invasion of Ukraine. Attempting to shift blame or focus to the US is to ignore the truth for your own ends.

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Peter14

Israel is responsible for its own response to Hamas attack

That is a pretty laughable answer, and you know it very well that that terrible conflict would end the first 24 hours the US administration stops shipping lethal weapons to Israel. Over $30 billions (officially) since January 2024. But, as we know, there is too much at stake for the US lobbies in Wall Street.

So you are saying that is the example we should follow as oppose to China.

Inciting anti-Beijing sentiments by any means and the manipulative narrative of the US State department on behalf of the big industrial military complex will not bring dialogue and trade, diplomacy amongst neighbors and economic growth in Asia

We have demonstrated time and time again that United States of America historically is the most aggressive country by far, and the only military risk that we face from China is if we continue as a proxy for the US in its endless wars

China is determined that it must have the military capability to defend its homeland. However, it does not project its military power around the globe as does the US.

For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace, unlike United States of America. China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

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FosJan. 14 09:36 pm JST

the only military risk that we face from China is if we continue as a proxy for the US in its endless wars

So basically allies of the US risk unprovoked attack from China. Good to know.

China is determined that it must have the military capability to defend its homeland.

China doesn't need the world's largest navy to defend its homeland.

For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace,

A carefully selected date as always and belligerence in the Taiwan Strait and SCS is not peace.

China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

The world does not need to replicate fascism.

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Keep an eye on the electronic devices. It wouldn't be that difficult for agents to install spyware at various locations.

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FOS

you know it very well that that terrible conflict would end the first 24 hours the US administration stops shipping lethal weapons to Israel.

You know very well it wouldn't stop at all. The Israeli government is run by a criminal using this "conflict" to hide for his pathetic leadership and waiting criminal cases.

So you are saying that is the example we should follow as oppose to China.

China has nothing to do with Israel's war against Palestinian people. But China is not a nation that should be emulated in any way for its own glaringly obvious reasons.

Inciting anti-Beijing sentiments by any means and the manipulative narrative of the US State department on behalf of the big industrial military complex will not bring dialogue and trade, diplomacy amongst neighbors and economic growth in Asia.

You seem to be the only one talking up a false narrative about everything bad being due to military industries, which for some reason you limit to America, never mentioning the billions is sales of weapons around the world by both China and Russia. That truth wouldn't suit your anti America stance.

China is determined that it must have the military capability to defend its homeland.

Garbage (smoke screen). Nobody is threatening China's homeland. China threatens many and the list increases the longer Xi is in power. You know that well but hid behind your smoke screens.

For four decades China has rose to economic significance in relative peace,

With constant streams of cash investment in China by US and world companies you now paint as evil.

unlike United States of America. China is the model the world needs to study and replicate.

To have one party states with great limits on personal freedoms, aiming to build the worlds largest military, and actively try to push other nations out of their own territory, claim ownership of international waters and air space, and plan to invade other nations. That is China today and you want that replicated? Total madness.

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If Xi stopped supporting Russia in its brutal and illegal invasion of peaceful Ukraine, that war would end in 24 hours. China buys enough oil and gas from Russia to prop it up, it buys Russian goods and sells components to Russia to keep making weapons that ensure the invasion continues.

China's is conducting its own proxy war against Ukraine, to support its "friend" Russia in this murderous enterprise and has done for years now. Shame on China.

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Peter14

You seem to be the only one talking up a false narrative 

It seems to me I am not the only one. Look around you, and above all ask yourself: is this the world you want to reproduce in Asia with the continuous warmongering narrative of the US State department, after what the tensions they have incited in Eastern Europe and Middle East? And NOT, "The Israeli government is NOT run by a criminal", it is certainly financed by the US Congress who does not have the right to say which country is good and which country is bad on the the other side of the world, where China belongs.

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We have been saying many times: Filipino fishermen are not credible when they accuse China vessels,

They have much more credibility than Chinese "officials". There are many examples of Chinese radio transmissions to various nations to "leave the area" when nowhere near China or its territory. Chinese planes dropping flares in the path of other nations aircraft hundreds of miles from the nearest Chinese territory. All facts.

Not a single shred of evidence has been found against China’s support of Russian in the operations in Ukraine despite all the attempts by US secret agents

Wrong again. They massively increased purchases of oil and gas to give currency to Russia's economy of war, and the sale of components used in Russian drones and missiles is shown graphically by Ukraine as parts are examined for used ordinance. But you dont trust Ukraine, just like you dont trust Philippines, or anyone that show how bad China really is.

If there is a world which the White House know very well is proxy :)

China's "proxy war" is exactly as real as America's so called "proxy war". Either both are real or both are false. So which is it?

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It seems to me I am not the only one. Look around you, and above all ask yourself: is this the world you want to reproduce in Asia with the continuous warmongering narrative of the US State department, after what the tensions they have incited in Eastern Europe and Middle East?

Since your perspective is as fake as your accusations against the US being responsible for the actions of other sovereign nations. Your "question" is unanswerable. Suffice to say Democracy is the best way forward for personal freedoms, and the draconian autocratic policies China has shown during Xi's rule are a pointer of what NOT TO DO.

Having said that, The US will soon be following Xi's examples, no doubt, under Trumps disgraceful leadership.

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FosToday 03:23 pm JST

Filipino fishermen are not credible when they accuse China vessels

The China apologist is not credible when he says things period.

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