Federal judges in California and Maryland on Thursday ordered U.S. President Donald Trump's administration to reinstate tens of thousands of probationary federal workers who lost their jobs as part of mass firings carried out across multiple agencies.
The back-to-back rulings were the most significant blow yet to the effort by Trump and top adviser Elon Musk to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy. Government agencies face a Thursday deadline to submit plans for a second wave of mass layoffs and to slash their budgets.
U.S. District Judge James Bredar in Baltimore agreed with 20 Democratic-led states that 18 agencies which had fired probationary employees en masse in recent weeks violated regulations governing the laying off of federal workers.
His decision came hours after U.S. District Judge William Alsup during a hearing in San Francisco ordered the reinstatement of probationary employees terminated at the U.S. Department of Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs, Department of Agriculture, Department of Energy, Department of Interior and the Treasury Department.
Alsup said the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, the human resources department for federal agencies, had improperly ordered those agencies to fire workers en masse even though it lacked the power to do so.
“It is a sad day when our government would fire some good employee and say it was based on performance when they know good and well that’s a lie,” said Alsup, an appointee of former President Bill Clinton, a Democrat.
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt in a statement said Alsup lacked the power to issue the ruling and that the administration would "immediately fight back."
“The president has the authority to exercise the power of the entire executive branch - singular district court judges cannot abuse the power of the entire judiciary to thwart the President’s agenda," Leavitt said.
Alsup during the hearing said agencies can engage in mass layoffs but are required to comply with a number of legal requirements.
Probationary workers typically have less than one year of service in their current roles, though some are longtime federal employees. They have fewer job protections than other government workers but in general can only be fired for performance issues.
Alsup ordered the agencies to reinstate workers who were fired over the last few weeks, pending the outcome of a lawsuit by unions, nonprofit groups and the state of Washington.
He did not order the 16 other agencies named in the lawsuit to reinstate workers, but said he would promptly issue a written decision that could expand on Thursday's ruling.
A Veterans Affairs spokesperson declined to comment. A Department of Interior spokeswoman said the agency does not comment on litigation over personnel matters.
The other agencies did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
The plaintiffs include the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents 800,000 federal workers. The union's president, Everett Kelley, said in a statement the decision was an important victory against "an administration hellbent on crippling federal agencies and their work on behalf of the American public."
Alsup last month had temporarily blocked OPM from ordering agencies to fire probationary employees, but declined at the time to require that fired workers get their jobs back. The plaintiffs subsequently amended their lawsuit to include the agencies that fired probationary workers.
About 25,000 workers across the U.S. government had been fired as of March 5, according to a Reuters tally, and another 75,000 have taken a buyout. The Trump administration has not released statistics on the firings, and it was not immediately clear how many employees could be affected by Thursday's decision.
In the lawsuit before Alsup, the plaintiffs claim the mass firings were unlawful because they were ordered by OPM rather than left to the discretion of individual agencies.
OPM has maintained that it merely asked agencies in a January 20 memo to identify probationary workers and decide which ones were not "mission critical" and could be fired, and did not order them to terminate anyone.
The agency on March 4 revised that memo, adding that it was not directing agencies to take any specific actions with respect to probationary employees.
OPM has pointed to the updated memo and to press releases by agencies as proof that it had no control over agencies' decisions.
Alsup on Thursday told the U.S. Department of Justice lawyer representing OPM, Kelsey Helland, that he did not believe that was true, and scolded the government for not presenting OPM's acting director, Charles Ezell, to testify at the hearing.
“I’ve been practicing or serving in this court for over 50 years and I know how we get at the truth, and you’re not helping me get at the truth. You’re giving me press releases, sham documents,” Alsup said.
Helland said it was common for presidential administrations to prevent high-ranking agency officials from testifying in court, and that the information provided by OPM in court filings was enough to prove that it never ordered agencies to terminate workers.
The Merit Systems Protection Board, which reviews federal employees' appeals when they are fired, earlier this month ordered the Agriculture Department to reinstate nearly 6,000 probationary workers at least temporarily.
© Thomson Reuters 2025
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TaiwanIsNotChina
Shove it back up the MAGA tailpipe!
Bob Fosse
Is it ‘efficient’ to have to keep back pedaling and redoing everything you are told you can’t actually do?
theFu
Those pesky laws keep getting in the way of Trump, Loser-in-Chief.
I just hope all the really skilled people don't decide to live their "best lives" outside the Trump govt universe.
Very few scientists in the US will work for Russia or China. The top ones know better. There may be a few of the below-average ones looking for a paycheck, but smart people will find employment lots of other places. I've completely switched industries 3 times in my professional career, so I know it is possible.
Underworld
As I have said before, of course they are illegal firings.
bass4funk
Celebrate will be short-lived.
His order will never stand, not sure what this activist judge is thinking, but he’s fighting the inevitable. There needs to be no reason given for terminating a probationary employee. the term itself "probationary employee" essentially means potential termination without cause. The sad thing is, the judge knows that the Supreme Court will rule with the President on this in the end. It may be semantics but why aren't they simply laid off? The government is underwater. When a business can't afford to keep employees, they are laid off. Reagan did the same thing.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/reagan-fires-11359-air-traffic-controllers
So again, the Dems had sense back in the day, but they will be reminded to go back to their senses.
Desert Tortoise
You might want to familiarize yourself with the laws that govern a Reduction In Force or RIF. The firings were not conducted in accordance with long standing Federal laws. In addition every probationary employee received the exact same letter citing unsatisfactory work performance and personal conduct as the reasons for firing them, notwithstanding all the employees who had excellent performance reviews. To fire someone, even a probationary employee, for poor work performance and especially for unsatisfactory personal conduct there has to be some documentation.
The firing letter will in many states disqualify them from receiving unemployment benefits. They will have to appeal a rejection of benefits and while it is probable many will get benefits in the end it will take a lot of time during which the former employees have no income.
There are several solid reasons to sue and for the plaintiffs to prevail.
stormcrow
You can just imagine Trump and Musk in their baby crib together whining and crying, What about our trillion dollar tax cuts!!! WAHHHH!
Ricky Kaminski13
An unelected self serving bloated bureaucracy class who have never had to be accountable, productive, coherent nor transparent with their methods, plans and of course their costs, screaming bloody murder about getting the golden boot!
You’ll have to forgive me for not shedding a tear that these folk are the first to be lined up and fired in what is only the FIRST WAVE of inevitable job displacements. It’s coming anyway folks with AI, this we know. Usually it’s the poor blue collar workers that end up on the tail end of shifting times, this time it will start with the suits. A very new phenomena to witness.
Out there in the private sector, us non govt. sponsored workers get paid for our productivity and effectiveness in the job. We have to be accountable and as smart as possible with our time and efforts. If we are ineffective , lazy and wasteful, and refuse to communicate we are out. That’s life, that’s reality.
So yeah, anyone that’s taken a free ride at the taxpayers expense in an enclosed , untouchable world, you're done. Won’t shed a single tear watching you guys try and reinvent yourselves to enter the real world. Just hope these DOGE like entities start catching on and even spreads to Japan too! Imagine if those folk were asked to write and explain what they’ve done this past week? Now we are really entering the realms of fantasy!
bass4funk
Wrong.
What these judges are doing is unconstitutional and are setting bad precedents. An employee under probation doesn't have worker rights. They are at-will employees until they pass probation. Every employer and employee knows this, including this activist judge. What's the point in having a probationary period if the employer can't terminate without consequence? This will get struck down immediately on appeal.
Wait a minute…U.S. District Judge William Alsup - Clinton appointed in 1999, assumed senior status judge in 2021 under Biden's handlers, United States District Court for the Northern District of California in San Francisco = 'nuff said.
No, there doesn’t need to be any reason given, not during the probationary period.
Judges who misinterpret the laws like here, should be held accountable. Possibly impeached. It brings to question their fitness to serve on the bench. It would also be nice if SCOTUS would issue a rule/ memo to the courts nation wide, citing the separation of Powers of the Judiciary and the Executive Branch of government, and cite the powers of the President to hire/fire who he wants.
I doubt it. Then why even have a probationary period? The majority of States do live in reality and not out to lunch like the politicians that ran California into the ground.
Good luck with that, prepare for more legal rulings given to this President by the Supreme Court.
WoodyLee
Well done judge William, next demand the immediate shut down DOGE.
Bob Fosse
Still ‘not dealing in hypotheticals’?
Bob Fosse
This defines musk exactly. But I’m sure you don’t mean him.
patkim
Let's be clear about this. We already know that this has nothing to do to root out waste. Because if it was, we would be going after DOGE who itself is a wasteful organization. They spend a ton of money firing and then rehiring when they make a mistake. Even their own employees waste time at work doing nothing. Take the case of Trump official and supporter of DOGE, McLaurine Pinover, who is a self-professed fashion influencer. She started her job working in the Office of Personnel Management in January, and posted a ton of videos on SNS from her office during work hours.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mclaurine-pinover-influencer-doge-layoffs-b2713716.html
Those are the kind of Trump and DOGE hires? Wow! Talk about hypocrisy.
Then, there is the total waste of money spent in returning all migrants that were held in Guatanamo Bay. They were all returned to places in the U.S. That operation cost about 16 million dollars so far. Wasted money.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/us/politics/ice-migrants-guantanamo.html
Desert Tortoise
My pay at NAVAIR depended on my job performance, which was subject to review twice a year by my immediate supervisors and a pay board composed of our upper management. Some years you got a raise and a bonus but it depended on the work assignments and whether I out performed my peers. Some years not so much. My last couple of years I was doing stuff that was mandated by Congress, received some recognition and a nice raise.
When you are in the weapons development world as I was you are under the Congressional microscope. The ones who fail, and fail big, are the big defense contractors. I have written about that extensively here but the stock and bond market both reward large defense firms for being late and over budget. Both are great for cash flow and stock price, so their upper management excel at being late and over budget. Being on time and at or under budget is not profitable for them. As a result we are always under the microscope with Congress to show we are doing everything right all the time to get programs across the finish line on time and on budget. It is a constant war with the big contractors who are managed by crooks. You probably don't recall Darlene Druyan who went to jail for her corrupt management of the first KC-46 source selection and you probably don't remember the government F-35 Program Manager getting canned for the cost over runs and delays in that program about ten years ago. But it is telling that while the government Program Manager was canned, the Lockheed-Martin Program Manager who fiddlef__ked around with delay after delay and cost over runs got a promotion. Yeah, his malfeasance, in our view, was rewarded by his employer.
Or then the last program I worked was a big weapon we have been buying for some two decades. We have an excellent price history for it because I helped produce that price history. But two years ago now the manufacture said the next lot would cost 40% more. No change to the configuration, same labor and materials and the manufacturer cannot show with any kind of pricing that there are labor or material costs rising such that the end product has to cost 40% more. They just assert that is the price take it or leave it. The fleet needs that weapon. What do you suggest? We negotiated with them for a year, lost a year of production which hurts the inventory of that weapon the fleet needs. The manufacturer claims proprietary rights to the design of the weapon and the software so it is not like you can just contract out production to another qualified manufacturer. That would end up in a court room and the Government would likely loose. How do you handle that? Congress is fully aware of this btw. They don't have a good answer either and the Senators and representatives from the states that produce the big chunks that go into that weapon are protecting the manufacturer, not the war fighters. This is real life, not your right wing fantasy. We are highly accountable and fully visible. And we are up front with Congress.
But yeah go ahead and run down the government people. You know nothing,
Ricky Kaminski13
Weapons development and USAID sound like a different ballgame there desert, and congratulations for serving your country so admirably. The right wing comment at the end though. Bit touchy are we? So there was no waste to tackle, nothing to see here folks? Business as usual.
Pull the other one mate.
theFu
Hardly. The ATC were on strike, endangering aircraft and passengers. Reagan ordered them back to work so safety wouldn't be compromised and negotiations could continue. They refused. He fired them all and blocked them from any future Federal Govt jobs. Military ATC specialists had to be brought in to fill gaps across the country for the 11,000 fired controllers.
Trump's firings didn't have anybody "on strike" or even a "cause" provided. The OPM has admitted they don't have the power to fire any federal employee outside their OPM office. All attempts to fire anyone not in the OPM department were illegal and just "suggestions". Ref: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/nx-s1-5311445/federal-employees-firing-court-judge
I'm not against reducing what the federal govt does in non-core areas, provided the agency actually deciding which positions are to be eliminated have the control. Plenty of pressure can be applied. Just don't impact core functions that help nearly all Americans.
Musk and Trump like the "shock" these firings provided. It also gets employees looking for outside jobs so they may leave on their own if they aren't anywhere near retirement. Federal employees near retirement will not leave, unless they have a terminal disease.
The private sector does this from time to time as well.
I'veSeenFootage
This is what right-wing mdia does to your brain. Rots it until you start thinking that people who get low-to-average salaries to essentially serve the people are all evil lazy moochers, while the billionaires stealing and hoarding all the money and gleefully destroying the environment are the "good guys". As mind-boggling as it is pathetic.
bass4funk
Stating facts
Supreme Court will have a field day with this.
plasticmonkey
Chainsaw stuff now and work out details later.
How "efficient".
Do explain. What laws are being "misinterpreted"?
You want the Judicial Branch to rule that it has no power over what the Executive Branch does.
Think about that for a moment.
Why even have a Judicial Branch?
bass4funk
Yes
ARTICLE 2 of the Constitution
Think about that for a moment.
What have an executive branch if the an activist lib judge can block a duly elected President.
plasticmonkey
Because there are laws.
And the Executive must follow those laws. It's not optional.
Back to you. Why even have a Judicial Branch if the Executive is not bound by law?
bass4funk
Ahhh, now libs care about laws all of a sudden? Wow!
But under Biden when he didn’t, not one peep.
Ok, so you’re saying, the Dems want to set a precedent once again that the law and constitution means nothing. Remember, because of Harry Reid we have a Conservative Supreme Court, now you want to take that same route again? Ok, you guys never learn Lol
lincolnman
Typical MAGA-coping...and failing....
Yesterday they tried to tell us that Trump never lies - but then you also shouldn't "take him literally"....
ROFL...
Desert Tortoise
I saved the US Government more money than they will ever pay me. I found ways to avoid costs by doing things differently. The ideas weren't entirely mine but I did the hard work of the economic analyses that justified doing things differently. It's one thing to have a good idea but unless you can show the decision makers that, no kidding, this will save us all money it usually doesn't happen. Hunches don't go far unless you have some data to back that hunch. And there were times when I proved an assumption about something was wrong. Sometimes depending on the particulars of the situation competing a contract is not always a cost saver. The contracts people wanted a certain weapon's depot overhaul work put out for competition. Sounds reasonable, but the 21 test benches the weapon needs for overhaul would have to be moved if another firm won the competition. The cost to tear all this equipment down and move it would have been many times what was spent each year overhauling the weapons, and the depot would be down for a year. Tearing a production line down, packing it, moving it, reassembling and testing it all takes a lot of time. We have data on that believe it or not from prior moves. Once the contracts group saw that they backed off. Cheaper to keep doing what we are doing and the weapon was going to be withdrawn from service soon anyway. Waste of $100 million. That was just one time I saved the government money. I wasn't alone either. We took pride in doing this.
We had another occasion were we did an analysis of all the engineering labor a big contractor was charging the government across a portfolio of weapons they are making. They were charging three or four times the amount of man hours as they had engineers. Instead of charging us a quarter man year on each of the four projects an engineer worked on each year they were charging a full man year on each program and stiffing the government. Our team confronted them with our findings in a contract negotiation and suddenly the contractor staff were all staring at their navels. They knew we had them so they had to lower their prices quite a bit.
Are we perfect? No. But we are not dishonest schemers like the contractors. I wasn't working for a board of directors. I was working for the US taxpayer and the men and women out on the pointy end where I started my time with the military. They are who mattered to us.
bass4funk
Doesn’t seem so
He’s human, kinda like liberal’s interestingly
GuruMick
I go with the Judge on this ruling and not with the imaginary musing of punters on this forum.
The USA is a nation bound by law, not a banana republic.
Bob Fosse
“The sad thing is, the judge knows that the Supreme Court will rule with the President on this in the end”
is most definitely NOT a fact.
Desert Tortoise
I should ad that those 21 test benches are US Government Property and the only such test benches in the world. Reproducing them today would cost hundreds of millions of dollars so it isn't even remotely economical for another company to produce its own set so it can win a depot repair contract that is worth a fraction of the cost of the work they would perform. The 21 test benches were built decades ago used to produce the original weapons, and after production ceased they were used for overhauls. Only one set ever made.
Bob Fosse
It takes a special level of stupid to believe that billionaires care about you.
lincolnman
Should I take that "literally" or are you exaggerating?
You mean he constantly lies? Yes, thanks for admitting it...same as you admitted yesterday...
lincolnman
Trump 2,0 is cratering as Americans see the chaos and incompetence....but what they see most are higher prices and a much lower stock market....and the numbers tell the story;
"A new CNN/SSRS poll shows a majority of Americans don’t trust the way President Trump is handling the economy—lower than any point during his first term.
Fifty-six percent of Americans disapprove of his economic actions, while 52 percent disapprove of how he’s handled the federal budget, and 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the tariffs specifically. The findings come as the stock market plummets further while Trump levies tariffs on allies in China, Canada, Mexico, and the European Union.
Fifty-three percent of Americans also have an unfavorable view of Elon Musk, who has been by Trump’s side carrying out his mass cuts and purges of the federal government. About 62 percent said that Musk had neither the experience nor the judgment to “make changes to the way the government works.” And 62 percent also believe that the DOGE cuts “will go too far and important federal government programs will be shut down.”
Americans see the MAGA ineptitude and buffoonery...
Desert Tortoise
To an extent yes but in most ways not so different. You are not there to make a profit but to perform a service in the name of your country. The rules that govern how you buy things, how you manage your people and how you generate and submit your annual budget request are the same across the board for all Federal agencies. How you spend that money is determined by Congress. You have to execute the budget as it is passed spending the government's money on the actions or items Congress appropriates the money for and you don't have any latitude to spend less or more than Congress appropriates. In that regard it is all the same. The difference is who your end customer is, war fighters in my case, foreign nations in other cases. But the ethic of service is the same.
Blacklabel
Oh so now polls matter? lol
plasticmonkey
What a slapdown . I’m destroyed.
False equivalence. And even if not, if you are suggesting that Biden was wrong, you should also admit that Trump is wrong.
No, I’m not saying that. Because that is a total non sequitur.
Blacklabel
Liberals desperately grasping at these tiny temporary wins given by activist Democrat appointed judges in blue states. While Trump racking up yuuuuuge wins.
Supreme Court gets to decide in the end, so let’s see how it goes.
I'veSeenFootage
Is he, though? He seems to be losing so much he had to take a second job as a Tesla saleman, "lol"
HopeSpringsEternal
Court battles will continue. POTUS and his Cabinet manage the agencies, the legal question becomes how much discretion they possess to actually 'manage'.
Already about 250K Govt. Employees have been fired, taken early buyouts or retired since DJT took office Jan 20th, implementing an immediate Govt. Hiring Freeze
DJT delivering via DOGE on voter campaign promise to make US Govt. more efficient and taxpayer $fiduciary
Blacklabel
totally! Everything we voted for and more!
So what has your team “won”?
an activist dual citizen judge forced him to pay for work already completed that we know was wasteful spending and Supreme Court agreed.
anything else won?
Yrral
Trump is psychological legally vulnerable,you can rule Trump like a serf using the court,by having a judge put the DOJ under court supervision
plasticmonkey
Infantile view of democratic governance.
Yrral
Trump have low self esteem,by constant being reprimanded by Judge,this why MAGA is doomed legally, beside being ignorant like Trump
Tokyo Guy
MAGA: "No fair, the president should be allowed to ruin people's lives because he's the president!"
MAGA (sees prices of everything go through the roof; even local meth dealer raises prices)
MAGA: "Someone should do something about this!"
HopeSpringsEternal
As Elon Musk says regarding DOGE advisory role, "reducing US Govt. isn't optional, it's necessary" Why?
Because of growing pile of US Debt, thru first 5 months of FY 25 thru Feb, US Govt. deficit up 38% vs. last year.
Fiscal sanity means shutting down and downsizing Agencies and their headcount and spending.
More important, all the fraud being identified in the entitlement programs, especially 'fake' social security numbers. Elon Musk believes entitlement fraud is b/w 500-700 $Billion per Year!
Control Changes to Treasury Payment Systems and elimination of Agency funding to 'political' NGOs will also save several hundred billion $ per Year!
Democrats US. Govt $Piggy Bank being SHUT DOWN, all IT systems will be Blockchain based, US Treasury yields falling as a result of ABOVE. Taxpayers will soon have less inflation and lower interest rates as a result.
DJT = MAGA and Govt. Efficient and HONEST Again!
lincolnman
Feel some pity for our MAGA-friends...they're no doubt reeling from the high prices and sinking stock market...
One stock in particular has them melting down...
"Shares of Trump Media & Technology Group fell 4.5% Thursday and are now trading just above $19. They’ve lost more than half their value since the inauguration and have plunged 75% from the high of nearly $80 that they hit shortly after the stock debuted to public trading in late March 2024."
Wow, and because of Trump's tariffs, they can't even afford a bottle of tequila to drown their sorrows...
TokyoLiving
Judges are protecting the country of MAGA regime madness..
patkim
Judge Joseph Normand Laplante, who was appointed by former president George W. Bush, ordered a preliminary injunction on Trump's case against the issue of birthright citizenship.
Judge Trevor N. McFadden, appointed by Trump, denied Trump's order to suspend refugee admissions and resettlement services and the funds for them, but allowed an expedited schedule for the preliminary injunction.
Judge Richard J. Leon, appointed by George W. Bush, issued an administrative stay prohibiting from USADF member Ward Brehm from being removed by Trump.
Judge Royce Lamberth, appointed by Ronald Reagan, issued a TRO to transfer three transgender inmates, on order by the Trump administration.
Of course, the list goes on and on. Then there is the fact that two conservative Supreme Court justices, Amy Coney Barrett and John Roberts sided with liberal judges in ruling against Trump in the USAID funding case.
Bottom line is, that a good judge will be unbiased and fair. They will uphold their oath of abiding by the laws and not by party or one person. They cannot be bribed, or should not be swayed one way or the other. But of course, the typical conservative or MAGA way would be to label any judge going against Trump's wishes as "activist". Typical.
Desert Tortoise
Raising the marginal tax rates for high income earners, adding capital gains to earned income and taxing both at the resulting marginal rates and eliminating the wage cap on the Social Security payroll tax would be smarter and have fewer negative economic effects than mass government layoffs and eviscerating public services.
The US under taxes by comparison to its developed OECD peers. The US tax burden, defined as government revenues at all levels of government from all sources is typically around 27-28% of GDP with spending closer to 35% of GDP. The OECD average tax burden is typically 34-36% of GDP with some Scandinavian nations tax burdens in the mid 40s % of GDP. In any year only three or four "developed" nations have lower tax burdens, those bastions of prosperity Turkiye and Mexico and sometimes South Korea sneaks in under the US.
There is no economic rationale for gutting public services and giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. The wealthiest should pay more. Adding capital gains to earned income would put a very quick end to a lot of the corrosive pay schemes used by corporate America today.
bass4funk
Which wasn’t the case
Like Keeping Trump on the ballot, you were ok with that as well as I recall, right? Or the Dobbs decision…
Really now?
Anyway, once the Supreme Court rules on Article 2 in Trump’s favor we can put this to rest and proceed with sliming down the government
patkim
It's judges like these that are the only defense from the U.S. turning into an autocracy, which helps us from going up higher among a human rights watch list, on which the U.S. has recently been added to.
https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-countries-human-rights-watchlist-us-2043007
Sure, America is not yet up there with Russia, but who knows what will happen next under Trump. With more and more rights threatened and taken away, we may well be on that path.
I'veSeenFootage
I don't have a "team", because I don't see politics in a simplistic and childish binary perspective. I just look at things somewhat objectively and see a lot of very dumb people cheering for extremely stupid things that will ultimately hurt them. And I point and laugh.
lincolnman
OK MAGA-fans, does this one make you question your Musk-love or like with his "Heil" salutes, you'll excuse this too?
"Tesla chief and presidential adviser Elon Musk shared a post Thursday that said public sector workers, not Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, murdered millions of people, marking the billionaire’s latest Nazi-related post."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2025/03/13/musk-retweets-hitler-didnt-murder-millions-message-amid-ongoing-nazi-controversy/
So the Holocaust was fake. What do you say to that MAGA-friends?
Tokyo Guy
OK MAGA-fans, does this one make you question your Musk-love or like with his "Heil" salutes, you'll excuse this too?
*"Tesla chief and presidential adviser Elon Musk shared a post Thursday that said public sector workers, not Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, murdered millions of people, marking the billionaire’s latest Nazi-related post."*
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2025/03/13/musk-retweets-hitler-didnt-murder-millions-message-amid-ongoing-nazi-controversy/
So the Holocaust was fake. What do you say to that MAGA-friends?
Some preliminary ideas of the responses we may get:
1) "He never posted that, Grok did it without consulting him and Grok is wrong because it was designed by... oh, erm, it's a democrat conspiracy in collusion with the global Soros elite"
2) "He was speaking meta-fur-i-cully, he didn't mean it like that"
3) "He just did it to trigger you libz and it worked ROFL"
4) "He's right, and they deserved it"
Ricky Kaminski13
Talk about opening a can of worms! Sheesh. Luckily, despite the screaming to the sky the wheels are in motion. Above all of our paygrades now, thankfully, and we will all get to see whether DOGE and the current ( mandated, remember ) administration deliver or not! ( an attempt at a statement we can all nod in favor of! ) All in good time rockers, all will be revealed. Enjoy the ride, or keep screaming. Also up to you!
Bob Fosse
Sliming the government is leading to a sluggish economy.
GuruMick
Ricky..."the wheels are in motion "...good...in what direction ?
You would have to admit there are lots of legal challenges being thrown up against MAGA.
Thats not obstruction, that's plaintiffs using their rights in law.
Thats good too.
I used to enjoy reading High Court judgements for the outstanding logic and references to precedent.
And I've never heard a politician of any persuasion , write or speak, so eloquently.
Trump is down with the lowest on the "public speaking " score.
bass4funk
Yes, to be expected. Short-term, long gains, but if you want to get the Fed government out of people's pockets, sacrifices in the economy have to be made.
HopeSpringsEternal
No doubt cutting Federal spending and employment will be a transition for US economy. However, those leaving US Govt. payroll can likely create more $value in private sector. Plus, punishing inflation and high interest rates will DROP due to less Govt. issuance of Debt.
Govt. debt financing costs will thus drop, freeing up funds and lower rates will spur private sector growth, especially rate sensitive areas like Housing that need it!
BB
DOGE's mistakes create real problems and shouldn't be tolerated in a world where data affect economies and markets and investment decisions. But here we are.
“I can’t even imagine the federal government writ large being this sloppy,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who ran the Congressional Budget Office during part of the George W. Bush presidency. “Next thing you know, you’ve created a recession out of a mistake in a piece of data.”
Norm
SCOTUS will not rule in Trump’s favor.
”Sliming down?” Sounds like something from Ghostbusters.
HopeSpringsEternal
DOGE's helping FIX long standing problems stemming from outdated Govt. IT systems and collusion of vested interests gaming US Govt. for their $corruption schemes, such as $entitlement and $NGOs at home and abroad.
DJT believes due to cutting Govt. Regulations and DOGE advisory recommendations acted upon, like automation and control, that US annual spending can be easily cut $1+Trillion per Year = need for Fewer Federal Workers.
Ken
The state of the government is the worst now it's been in the past few decades. If another J6 happened it would be that much easier for people to go on with their day after they committed their daily dose of domestic chaos. There is a reason why key people are fired and replaced for yes men and only the blind and brainwashed don't see thru it
patkim
By hiring SNS influencers like McLaurine Pinover, who do nothing, but post videos at work?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mclaurine-pinover-influencer-doge-layoffs-b2713716.html
Or how about the DOGE waste in time and money spent with firing people without knowing what they do and if they are important or not, and then rehiring them again. Or how about the rounding up of immigrants and sending them to detention centers, and then turn around and release them back, meanwhile, spending millions of dollars in doing so. The amount of money and time wasted already by DOGE and Trump in their careless actions and then flipflopping in just a matter of a few months, is staggering.
The_Beagle
Round and round Dems go with their lawfare. Expect another appellate court reversal soon.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Really? Appointing non-stolen judicial seats is lawfare now? Will it be overturned on appeal the same way that USAID funding was?
J101
Donald-fans are now full on souvereign citizens? Hardly surprised.
commanteer
Yeah, well, they have been trying to shrink government for 50 years under those laws and yet it just keeps getting bigger and more out of control. An unelected judge has no moral right to force taxpayers to hire people they don't want. Maybe he should be fired too.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And that is just Musk and DOGE!!!
GuruMick
Taiwan...leave Ricky alone...he's a good man....just a little confused....he wants efficiency in the workplace that's why he comments here on his employer's time !
GuruMick
Commanteer above...Judges dont use "moral rights " mate....they use legal reasoning.
And given the "pyramid shaped " legal system, Judges down in the middle are bound by decisions made by those at the top.
Works like a charm for lawyers anyway
TaiwanIsNotChina
The number of federal employees has been roughly constant for decades:
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-work-for-the-federal-government/
Also Clinton reduced the federal expenditures and he did by not acting like a complete and utter ah.
But Congress does and the judge is reflecting that.