Israel and Hamas signal they are no closer to ending Gaza war after Sinwar's death

So now he was found after Gaza and some village in Lebanon being flattened?

Not being found by sophisticated tech or intel, it just but just by chance and done by trainee soldier.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chance-encounter-led-killing-israel-093057423.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/18/how-was-yahya-sinwar-killed-what-we-know-so-far

The stands taken by the two sides signal, at least publicly, that they have not moved any closer to ending their conflict, even as President Joe Biden and other world leaders press the case that Sinwar’s killing is a turning point that should be used to unlock stalled cease-fire negotiations.

October this year isn't to the first one, in April US even already communicate officially with Israel to let the UN aid can go to refugee in Gaza however after many billions of US tax payer being given to Israel, Israel just ignore it. Not sure if US can told Israel to go for cease fire.

So who the really world super power here?

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241016-us-warns-israel-it-could-restrict-military-aid-without-dramatic-improvement-to-gaza-aid

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-gives-israel-30-days-improve-gazas-humanitarian-situation-or-risk-aid-reports-2024-10-15/

Israel aren't a superpower, but they are the US's rogue dog.

The land-hungry Zionists have bigger fish to fry than picking off Hamas leaders so peace will depend on America's taking away their arms. Meanwhile, with the decapitated and splintered state of the Hamas resistance forces and, given the ostensible unconcern of Netanyahu for the lives of the Israeli hostages, their fate now hangs in the balance like never before.

@Tamarama

Israel aren't a superpower, but they are the US's rogue dog.

In that context, who really influence US leader and congressman?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/jamaal-bowman-aipac/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections

Israel and Hamas signal they are no closer to ending Gaza war 

This is not a war, it's a genocide. Just like the holocaust was not a war.

At least Putin not being influence by lobbyist group.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/putin-says-gaza-war-must-end-with-establishment-of-palestinian-state/3366661

https://english.aawsat.com/world/5072418-putin-palestinian-leader-abbas-invited-brics-summit-russia-next-week

There is an interesting BBC video that analyzes this killing: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c8djz4rn144o

You can see the extent of devastation in Gaza - the places is totalled, the Israelis have demolished it completely.

They also clearly don't know who the man sitting in the armchair is, but apparently and old man sitting in an armchair in a destroyed house in Gaza is enough to call in a strike - I guess any man in Gaza is a Hamas terrorist. I mean, they don't even bother to check who it was until a day or two later.

So whilst they got one of their big targets purely by chance here, what this better highlights is the extent to which they are just casually killing Palestinians holus bolus as they encounter them in Gaza.

Quite sickening, and the world just sits on its hands and watches.

How do they expect to reach peace deal with one third of Likud party members are openly attending an event called Resettling Gaza?

Tell me again how this hasnt been the plan all along. The whole state reduced to rubble, basically an uninhabitable dust bowl with no homes, schools, hospitals, or anything left.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/it-is-doable-10-likud-mks-to-attend-conference-calling-for-resettling-gaza/amp/

So I guess it would be ok to flatten Israel in order to eliminate Netanyahu.

Israeli spokesman David Mencer claiming the video footage of the young Palestinian man burning alive on a bed attached to an IV was completely staged by "Pallywood".

What vile human beings Israeli spokespeople are. The same lying mouthes that brought you "40 decapitated babies" and "babies in ovens".

https://youtu.be/UeY95qEr_rc?si=jnbLPmp6sx4YGE88

Is Netanyahu ready to withdraw his forces from every inch of internationally recognized Palestinian soil?

Is Netanyahu ready to tell the Israeli population illegally residing in Palestine that they can either return to Israel or accept Palestinian government authority over them?

Is Netanyahu ready to let Israel's legal population he has forcibly kept in exile for the 'crime' of not being Jewish a way to return?

Then the ONLY person signaling they are not ready to let Netanyahu's war ON Palestine and Palestinians come to an end is NETANYAHU!

Everything else is pretence and alternative facts.

Israeli spokesman David Mencer claiming the video footage of the young Palestinian man burning alive on a bed attached to an IV was completely staged by "Pallywood".

He also repeated false claims that a pregnant Israeli woman had her baby cut out of her.

This should be a sign to anyone who’s watching. Hamas simply wants to death no matter what. Israel is committed to finishing the job.

I applaud Israel’s dedication.

So basically Hamas is still the bad guy. They can end this immediately by making a complete unconditional surrender and release all the remaining hostages. But their hatred for everyone, including their own Palestinian people, whom they use as human shields, won't allow them to do the right thing. Israel can and will continue the fight to victory.

He also repeated false claims that a pregnant Israeli woman had her baby cut out of her. - Chabbawanga

I think what infuriates me so much about these people is that they are trying to totally de-humanise Palestinians. The exact same process of dehumanisation that made anti-semitism rampant across europe and paved the way for the holocaust.

David Mencer, Tzipi Hotovely, Mark Regev, Elon Levey. Absolutely abhorrent the whole slimy lot of them.

David Mencer, Tzipi Hotovely, Mark Regev, Elon Levey. Absolutely abhorrent the whole slimy lot of them.

They are a nasty bunch.

So basically Hamas is still the bad guy. They can end this immediately by making a complete unconditional surrender and release all the remaining hostages. But their hatred for everyone, including their own Palestinian people, whom they use as human shields, won't allow them to do the right thing. Israel can and will continue the fight to victory.

Said against a backdrop or ever expanding settler violence and annexation of Palestinian land in the West Bank, and the planned settlement of the Gaza strip. Please, oh please, explain to me again how it is the Palestinian people who dont want peace.

new excuse to increase oil price and global inflation.

they are just media propaganda puppets.

WAR is a business for US and many other countries, no wonder the conflict will not end.....

The Palestinian people want peace. It is the Iran-backed, hatred-filled Hamas who do not want peace, but the complete extermination of not only Israel, but all Jews. Israel will prevail against such evil.

The Palestinian people want peace. It is the Iran-backed, hatred-filled Hamas who do not want peace, but the complete extermination of not only Israel, but all Jews. Israel will prevail against such evil.

They have called for the destruction of the israeli zionist state, not the death of every jew.

Why should Hamas talk peace when it's people are getting slaughtered and burned alive in the north of Gaza??

Israel will prevail against such evil.

If Israel is sooo good, why is Israel expanding illegal settlements and an ever increasing rate through state-sponsored settler violence? Why are one third of Israels democratically elected government attending an event to promote the settlement of Gaza? ....

What do you call people who think the Palestinian response to having been invaded and occupied by Israel for DECADES should be complete surrender and acceptance of occupation and the loss of sovereignty, but the Ukrainian response to having been invaded by Russia should be all out warfare until Russia completely withdraws AND pays reparations AND accepts the complete sovereignty of Ukraine?

And would the answer be acceptable by Japan Today's moderators?

Israel is the victim. Some people seem to be forgetting October 7th and the Holocaust. Israel has a right to exist. Hamas does not recognize that right. Hamas is the evil in this conflict. Iran is also to blame. As is the Biden-HARRIS administration that has allowed Iran to sell more oil and make more money to finance this evil oppression of Israel.

Israeli spokesman David Mencer claiming the video footage of the young Palestinian man burning alive on a bed attached to an IV was completely staged by "Pallywood".

Israel said that the first Gaza hospital to be damaged was from a "stray Hamas rocket". Israeli indiscriminate bombing has since damaged 32 out of 36 hospitals. Each one is a war crime.

Mencer's previous job was in the UK Labour Party telling everyone who was far too eager to listen that Jeremy Corbyn, democratically elected leader of the same party, was antisemitic. As with most of Israel's claims, no proof was ever provided.

""Israel is the victim. Some people seem to be forgetting October 7th and the Holocaust.""

Very funny & Obsolete,

Better start looking for a new RECORD, how about Gaza Genocide !?

What Holocaust!?

Check out the rest of the world casualties,

The following countries have the highest estimated World War II casualties: the Soviet Union (20 to 27 million), China (15 to 20 million), Germany (6 to 7.4 million), Poland (5.9 to 6 million), Dutch East Indies/Indonesia (3 to 4 million), Japan (2.5 to 3.1 million), India (2.2 to 3 million), Yugoslavia (1 to 1.7

SOURCE;

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/world-war-two-casualties-by-country

An excerpt from a much longer interview with retired Ambassador Ryan Crocker:

Netanyahu has said the “balance of power” in the region has changed in Israel’s favor. What is your response to that assessment?

I would say that’s premature. Clearly Hezbollah fights on. Rockets are still flying across the border, as are drones. They’re decentralized. Clearly Hamas as well as Hezbollah is decentralized. They’re certainly ground down in terms of their capability of delivering anything like a meaningful response. But I foresee a very long insurgency by Hamas.

And Hezbollah?

It’s a very different dynamic in the north. In a sense Netanyahu has set the bar very high, in that he’s trying to stop the rocket fire in a definitive way so that 60,000 Israelis can go back home. Though all Hezbollah has to do is keep enough rockets crossing the border to make that difficult.

It’s really a fog of war situation in that it’s very difficult to see what Hezbollah’s strength is right now.

I’m old enough to take a very long view. I was in Lebanon in 1982 when the Israelis invaded. They called their operation “Peace for Galilee.” And 42 years later Lebanon is further from peace than it was in ‘82 when that invasion kicked off. That invasion and the subsequent Israeli occupation created Hezbollah. This invasion is not going to end it.

We’re still expecting the Israeli response to last week’s Iranian missile attack. Recent reports have indicated the Israelis may not hit Iran’s nuclear or oil sites, but just military or intelligence targets, which could be less escalatory. What’s your assessment?

Well assuming that analysis is correct that they are not going to strike Iran’s oil or nuclear facilities, that leaves them a lot of latitude of what they do strike, but wherever they strike it’s not going to meaningfully change any power equation. What I think it will do is push the debate inside Iran in the direction of nuclear weaponization sooner rather than later.

You think that’s going to happen no matter what?

I do. Again, they just have to look at the global stage. You’ve got the Libyan example of what can happen if you forgo nuclear capability. And the North Korean example of what can happen if you maintain it.

RichardPearceToday 09:28 am JST

What do you call people who think the Palestinian response to having been invaded and occupied by Israel for DECADES should be complete surrender and acceptance of occupation and the loss of sovereignty, but the Ukrainian response to having been invaded by Russia should be all out warfare until Russia completely withdraws AND pays reparations AND accepts the complete sovereignty of Ukraine?

And would the answer be acceptable by Japan Today's moderators?

Did the Palestinians accept the UN partition plan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

There was no UN recognized Israel or Palestine at the time.

Some people seem to be forgetting October 7th and the Holocaust

We remember very well, and there should be no double standards.

Did the Palestinians accept the UN partition plan?

Would you accept a plan to give away half your house to a guy whose great great great grandfather apparently used to live there? No, didnt think so.

What is really clear to me is that this war could end the day the US administration stops giving/foraging weapons to the IDF, the State of Israel. But it does not despite all the great words of Anthony Blinken. 

Despite alle the geopolitical uncertainty US financial markets are on all time high, which says a lot how Wall Street is gaining from this long spiral of death, violence and destruction, considering the top arms manufacturers in the world are all American. 

And that says a lot about Japan main ally. Washington is now desperately trying to shift the media attention to the skirmishes of Philippines fishermen with China vessels to create some sort of international whitewash similar to the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964, which was based on false pretests, starting the Vietnam War. 

Japan really need to be careful about his dangerous narrative and we will see a big shift at the next elections in Japan. Especially if the LDP does not change their warmongering attitude inherited by their previous administration. 

New rice harvest price is 48% up from a year earlier, and this new government have just announced a tactical missiles order from the US Pentagon, just to wrap up the weekend and celebrate on a golf course with their US representatives from Rex Corporation in Tokyo.

Israel just destroyed any chance for peace in both Gaza and Lebanon by eliminating the Negotiators.

Killing the chief of the tribe is Not smart Israel.

This is going to be along and hard battle between two religious phonetics who believe that God is on their side.

Anyone who thinks that this conflict will not spread and engulf most of the Middle East better start thinking again because it is, Israel can no longer end it even if it wants to, and so are Hamas and Hezbollah.

Too much Blood, Hate, and Anger will keep this fire smoldering for a long time

News Outlets are reporting that Hamas Leader was like any of Hams fighters he killed while in action in the battle field in Rafah city. He was heavily armed and in uniform not as what Bibi has described him hiding in tunnels with the hostages. .

A little bit more from the interview with Ryan Crocker

Are you concerned that the Israelis have become overconfident?

I worry that they’ve forgotten their own recent history. They hailed the operation “Peace for Galilee” as a great victory after the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization] withdrawal from Beirut. And of course what they got was Hezbollah, a far more lethal enemy than the PLO ever dreamed of being. So the idea that a ground invasion and subsequent occupation is somehow going to make Galilee safer is delusional.

One difference is how sophisticated these recent Israeli decapitation strikes have been against both Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as the pager/walkie-talkie attacks. Does that make any difference?

One thing I’ve learned over years, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan, is that the concept of the defeat of an adversary only has meaning in the mind of that adversary. If that adversary feels defeated, he is defeated. If he doesn’t, he’s not. Will these decapitations make the adversary feel defeated? I guess time will tell but I would bet against it.

Why is that?

I was in Lebanon for the creation of Hezbollah, for which we paid dearly and the Israelis even more dearly. And I was in Lebanon as U.S. ambassador when the Israelis decapitated Hezbollah for the first time with the assassination of Abbas Musawi [the secretary-general of Hezbollah killed in 1992 when Israeli helicopters fired missiles at his motorcade]. And I had to be evacuated because of credible intelligence that there was a plan to assassinate me in retaliation. Well, that decapitation didn’t exactly weaken Hezbollah.

News Outlets are reporting that Hamas Leader was like any of Hams fighters he killed while in action in the battle field in Rafah city. He was heavily armed and in uniform not as what Bibi has described him hiding in tunnels with the hostages. .

There is a video of him moments before he was killed. He was sitting in a chair in a bomb damaged apartment and threw a piece of wood at the drone that was taking video of him.

This is going to be along and hard battle between two religious phonetics

??? I think you meant religious fanatics. Phonetics is about language :o

Israel is going to kill ALL its enemies this time. Whoa!

It is BIBLICAL.

Israel government, it people are convinced beyond any external persuasion, reasonable doubt, this war is a pivotal decisive moment that will deicide Judaism future.

The solemn belief that Israel very survival depends on Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah must be convinced that Israel will use any and all means to make sure this fact is fully understood.

The political diplomatic options are all exhausted.

France Macron foolish ill judged, ego centric posturing jibber jabber could do more harm that produce positive outcomes.

Israel government, it people are convinced beyond any external persuasion, reasonable doubt, this war is a pivotal decisive moment that will deicide Judaism future.

A ridiculous argument. Judaism doesn't depend on the existence of a nation called Israel. Jews are literally everywhere in the world. Their faith and their religious practices won't suddenly disappear if the state called Israel is defeated or even destroyed. Judaism survived many centuries after Israel broke up into two adversarial nations and subsequently being conquered by the Babylonians. Their faith survived the diaspora, the Inquisition, and would survive into any foreseeable future.

France Macron foolish ill judged, ego centric posturing jibber jabber could do more harm that produce positive outcomes.

Monsieur Macron spoke a hard truth. Israel exists by virtue of action by the United Nations. They defined Israel's legal borders. The West Bank and Gaza are never going to legally part of Israel even if they somehow manage to conquer them by force.

The political diplomatic options are all exhausted.

Not true. Emphatically not true. Diplomatic solutions are available but the will to use them at this point does not seem to be present in any of the parties to the conflict. Israel has a very good opportunity right now to declare victory and end this horror show but they won't. As Moses often complained in the Old Testament when Jews defied him or the commands of God he brought them, the Jews are a proud and stiff necked people.

sakurasuki

So now he was found after Gaza and some village in Lebanon being flattened?

Reality check: There is actually a video of him sitting in the civilian apartment before he was killed. He swatted at the drone that took the video, but the location had already been transmitted, and a tank took out the apartment he was hiding in with one shot. No "flattened village" anywhere, all the building around are intact.

The fact is that the present US administration is sending day in and day out tons of lethal weapons to Israel supporting an ongoing genocide. That is the only biblical thing in this forum.

Somebody should tell this Ryan Crocker (who his this guy anyway?) that after the Afghanistan war fought by Washington, Afghans have been massively impoverished, and over 90% of the population faces some level of food insecurity, with 3 millions children at risk of acute malnutrition. 

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan

I can see all these hostile and aggressive talks... why don't you go back and enroll in the US army and stay there? We don't really need this type of savages and double standards in Japan.

The article does not say who is speaking for Hamas now. His brother? There must be someone in charge.

But either way, the fundamental problem with this war (and all conflicts with islamist terrorists) is already clear: Israel tries a technofix for an idological problem. The hardcore Hamas followers are convinced that dying as martyrs in a jihad is a guaranteed ticket to paradise, so how is the threat of death supposed to scare them?

This a war being fought to and end.

The lives lost could well be of little significance, if a full blown conflict was to spread across the entire region.

The "argument", Judaism, the solemn importance of the land of Israel the believed birthplace of the Jewish people, a spiritual, religious national identity is formed. 

To/for Jews globally is of universal significance to the point they believe the Bible was introduced to the world.

8. Views of the Jewish state and the diaspora

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/views-of-the-jewish-state-and-the-diaspora/

Desert Tortoise, the rights and wrongs, the "truths" are politically meaningless, a point lost on Monsieur Macron.

Negotiations could well be over.

Israeli government "Iranian retaliation" could be decisive.

Israeli Jews across the religious spectrum strongly support the idea of Israel as a Jewish state and a homeland for Jewish people around the world. Overall, majorities of Jews say Israel was given to the Jewish people by God and that a Jewish state is necessary for the long-term survival of the Jewish people.

Nearly unanimously, Jews support their diaspora population’s right to move to Israel and receive citizenship, and most agree that Jews deserve preferential treatment in Israel.

Desert Tortoise, the above renders diplomatic solutions nigh on insurmountable.

I hope you are right, was remains is one obliterates the other on way or another.

One can only hope these action don't provoke a third world war

Quite a big statement here: searching for a “Jewish identity” should not be a justification for the slaughtering of 43.000 people and counting, most of which women and children. I think is more of an economical issue, which have nothing to do with a recognition or a just cause.

And above all nothing to do with Bible main values, which are of love and compassion, moral guidelines, community and fellowship. We are pretty far from that right now on the war front Israel is fighting

Somebody should tell this Ryan Crocker (who his this guy anyway?) 

He has served as US Ambassador to Kuwait, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon. He is one of the US diplomats with the most experience in the Middle East/East Asia.

And above all nothing to do with Bible main values, which are of love and compassion, moral guidelines, community and fellowship. We are pretty far from that right now on the war front Israel is fighting

The Jewish Torah is the first six books of the Christian Old Testament. There wasn't much in there about love and compassion. That came in the New Testament which the Jews do not acknowledge. The Jews are still believing the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth stuff and killing every man, woman and child of god's enemies. No compassion or turning the other cheek in the Torah.

The ppl of Gaza deserve far better than Hamas. Let the reconstruction begin!

Actually not. Europeans did not want to live with jews so they helped jews to carve a land on Palestinian territory. There were no significant jewish population on those lands for about 2000 years after another western power (aka Romans) sent them away.

That is not true. There were populations of Jews throughout the Middle East and Persia. That is who the Askenazi are. Itamar Ben-Gvir's parents are both Kurdish Jews originally from Iraq. I knew lots of Persian Jews who were in LA going to the same university I was attending, having fled Iran during the revolution there. They were the legacy of Nebuchadnezzar who took a large population of Jews with him back to Persia after conquering Israel and the other nations in the region.

GDBDToday 12:49 pm JST

if no Palestinians survive, then Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanians, Saudi and Egyptians will remember.

I think they've already forgotten or would like to.