Trump’s Palestinian refugee idea falls flat with Jordan and confounds a Senate ally

He is going to look like the most ineffective US president in recent memory.

He is going to look like the most ineffective US president in recent memory.

The derangers can’t help but whine and scream about every single snippet of info regarding Trump. Accept it, you guys, you lost, Trump is the president of the United States and what happens from here is totally beyond your control.

Brain flatulence also beyond Trumps control.

Does every stupid idea he has , has to be published.

His brain needs an editor....

Egypt and Jordan, along with the Palestinians, worry that Israel would never allow them to return to Gaza once they have left.

Which is exactly what Israel has wanted all along.

Trump is on the wrong side of this issue, the side of the murderous ethnic cleansing Israelis.

TobleroneToday 07:06 am JST

Trump is the president of the United States and what happens from here is totally beyond your control.

What happens from here is totally the Failed Businessman's responsibility. FTFY.

“You’re talking about a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing,”

Ethnic cleansing.

The only obstacle to Israel and Trump's plan is the Palestinian people themselves who have resisted occupation, ethnic cleansing and genocide for decades.

There is no future for Gaza as a Palestinian state, Hamas 7th Oct Islamic atrocities has rendered any hope of a two state solution inconceivable.

The only option available is to prevent all out war with despot Iran.

Gaza is a dust bowl, a broken legacy to a UN riven, split by a corrupt politically driven cabal.

An ICJ little more than a politically hobbled irrelevance.

Donald Trump made a off the cuff remark little more.

OK, so is he going to:

a) threaten tariffs (his current go-to for everything)

b) threaten military action

or c) rename something.

Maybe he could have phrased it better then. I mean he does have the best words. Or so he says; analysis says that he speaks with the vocabulary of a grade schooler (not that this is a disadvantage when most of your supporters are allergic to polysyllables).

Itsonlyrocknroll....do the "Hamas atrocities " you reference include all the discredited claims ?

It's not the belligerent oaf's hamfisted use of the word "clean" that is upsetting people.

It's the fact that he's saying a million and a half people should be moved from their homeland and the region depopulated. You can phrase it any way you want. In content and purpose it's ethnic cleansing.

So they are just “moving”.

but “ethnic cleansing” makes it sound nefarious, so it’s better to use that term falsely.

thanks for the confirmation.

Excellent, that monster must be stopped..

The Palestinians of Gaza are going nowhere.

but “ethnic cleansing” makes it sound nefarious, so it’s better to use that term falsely.

Because that's exactly what it is, we know colonizers who aren't part Jewish or a minority can't wrap their heads around what they do to others

So Trump is rounding up immigrants in the US because he says they're dangerous criminals and "eating the pets", and putting them on flights out of the country...

But he's demanding Jordan and Egypt ACCEPT Palestinian immigrants even though they don't want them....

That broke the hypocrisy and stupidity meter...

Welcome to Trump 2.0 - all failure, all the time...

So they are just “moving”.

but “ethnic cleansing” makes it sound nefarious, so it’s better to use that term falsely.

thanks for the confirmation. - Blacklabel

Unless they don't want to move or you've been destroying hospitals, schools, water treatment systems, cultural and religious sites, agriculture, homes and any and all forms of civilian infrastructure required for people to live. When you've purposefully created an environment that is unlivable.

Then it's ethnic cleansing. Not just ethnic cleansing, genocide.

The prevailing attitude regarding the Middle East problem is detached from reality and distorted morally. There are TWO nations between the river and the sea, namely the Arabic Palestinian nation and the Israeli Jewish nation. BOTH nations deserve to live and to exist.

GuruMick,

I think you know the answer to that question.

You don't need my input.

Did Hamas ever envisage, ever foresee such devastation?

Such brutal retribution, a vision for the such desolation ahead?

Well it makes little difference now, doesn't it?

For the Palestinian people, they are now for the foreseeable future in a desperate horror no mans land.

Hell on earth, damned to a future without any hope of a recognisable/reconcilable homeland .

So had GuruMick, had 7th October never taken place, how man lives would have been saved?

What this all worth it?

Trump(Isreal) idea is Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestinian

Trump’s Palestinian refugee idea falls flat with Jordan 

....as it will with Egypt, which is totally unsurprising, Both governments have to deal with large islamist parts of the population, which forces them to clamour against Israel but at the same forces them to refuse any more influx of Hamas-indoctrinated muslim Arabs into their country.

I have long argued that the only solution to the "Palestinian" issue would be a return of Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, but both governments unsurprisingly refuse this.

Trump, once again, addresses a real situation, instead of following a phantasy-based policy like the previous admin.

iknowal

Most Gaza inhabitants either came from Syria, Jordan or Egypt, or their ancestors did.

So, Trump's approach is consistent with the concept of right to return.

Indeed. But as you know, in the islamist vocabulary, a "right of return" is a complete one-way-street.

President Trump is not remotely responsible for any middle eastern war.

Neither frankly is Joe Biden.

Hamas, Hezbollah, despot Iran could well sooner or later be subject to a harsh brutal relentless ruthless retaliation.

This/future US President, will simply back Israel with every support, militarily, logistically, until the desired conclusion is reached.

It's crazy how this is basically a present day holocaust and there are people okay with it and even defending it. If this was the past we already know how desperate you would have been to join the Nazi, rather than fight against it like the decent human beings who actual care about fighting to maintain peace

Accept it, you guys, you lost, Trump is the president of the United States and what happens from here is totally beyond your control.

Whiners whine. Can’t change their spots.

Superpowers can demand countries like Colombia and Jordan to do what they say to do. Don’t take any money from the U.S. then if you want to be a completely sovereign state.

Miriam Adelson donated $100 million to Trump's campaign. What does she want in return? Trump's support for Israel annexing the West Bank.

Meanwhile, we've got Jared Kushner musing about developing prime real estate along the beaches of Gaza. Presumably to be bought by Israelis once the Palestinians are "cleaned out" of their demolished homes.

This is Trump's peace plan for Israel and the Palestinians.

Transactional and self-serving.

To accept the "middle eastern status quo" is condemning the Palestinian people in Gaza to a horror without end.

A compromise exists with a new level of smart diplomacy.

Hamas must leave Gaza permanently.

Firstly, an Arab states peacekeeping force with the full confidence from/of the government of Israel, leading to a full Jewish withdrawal.

A further middle eastern wide search for a Palestinian homeland must begin, it will take decades to come to a full settlement.

Hezbollah must voluntary withdrawn from Lebanon. at the same time every west bank Jewish settlement must vacate.

How this is ever to be achieved will depended on unprecedented political will.

itsonlyrocknroll

President Trump is not remotely responsible for any middle eastern war.

Indeed.

Neither frankly is Joe Biden.

Wrong. Remember, Trump had put a lid on the conflict by defunding Hamas/Iran and by getting the the Gulf states into the Abraham accords (for which he should get a Nobel prize in a sane world). The Biden admin ditched all this, opened the money spigots to Hamas and Iran, and we have seen the horrible result. The Biden admin is squarely responsible, in fairness not for the underlying religious conflict, but definitely the for violent eruption during the last few years.

Rocknroll..."brutal retribution " is right on the money.

In your world ,nations should never end wars until the other side is exterminated. ?

Fortunately the whole world disagrees with Israeli conduct in this war.

Hey...isnt the PM and Defence Minister of Israel WANTED ON WAR CRIME CHARGES .

There was a whole history of Israeli aggression and total control of Gaza before Oct7.

Violation of UN Charters and cruelty meted out in gross then miniscule ways.

Denying the entry of "chicks " even....cant have those Palestinians eating too much protein.

Speaking of food....1/the Israeli side calculated just how many calories needed to survive , not thrive, survive.

and 2/one of the war crime charges against the Israeli heads is USING FOOD ACCESS AS A WEAPON OF WAR.

Oh...thats classy behaviour from the worlds most moral army.

BTW...Hamas still standing and Israel now negotiating

Zaphod, incompatible religious fundamentalism, poisoned over centuries, now drowning in toxic political quagmire cesspool of hate, can you really envisage a Jew next door to Islamist?

Defunding Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran is beyond any reasonable hope of any semblance of peace.

President Trump best course of action is, first find a middle eastern Arab collision to govern Gaza.

That alone will need another "political water into wine" moment

However any method to stall hostiles could bring about a future reconciliation of sorts.

With no way of knowing which ones were ISIS types, what sane country would want to take the chance of taking them in?

If Trump wants to road test crazy ideas, how about "we're not going to give Israel any more money or weapons". Countries should stand on their own two feet right? Why should Americans pay for free healthcare for Israelis?

Zaphod and Rock....funny how you speak of "Islamic fundamentalism "

Illan Pape in 10 Myths about Israel writes of this label being used to dehumanise and discredit legitimate resistance groups.

OK...fair enough to label your enemy.

But Israeli history shows attacks and assassination of secular Palestinian leaders, and indeed, Israel sought to play "Secular and Islamic " off one another, with Netanyahu being a chief supporter of the latter groups.

Sorry if I read more widely.

Plus, Israel wont let the United Nations troops into Gaza....do you think they will have an ARAB nation in defacto control. ?

Israel has a problem....it wants Gaza but the indigenous inhabitants have the hearts of lions.

Ken

It's crazy how this is basically a present day holocaust and there are people okay with it and even defending it.

This talk or defending Israel actions is truly 'hard to define' amongst rational people

GuruMick, I believe the best way forward is an Arab/middle eastern collision to manage peace in Gaza.

As well as the west bank.

However, Hamas, Hezbollah must withdraw, as must all Israeli west bank settlements, a US/global initiative to bring about a political settlement to begin independent negotiations.

UN only to manage humanitarian relief for Gaza, nothing more

Zaphod buddy...no room for an Israel role when you apportion blame for the Middle East in crisis ?

Hmmm...speaks volumes.

Poor Israel...innocent little waifs in a cruel world.

GuruMick, I have personally struggled with Catholicism, for twenty years, still do to the point of that a woman must respect premarital sex is a mortal sin.

My faith is my sword and shield, well almost, outside of life working in the financial industry.

I understand Jews cannot live next door to Islamists.

Muslins Arabs its workable, but the histrionics is a mount Fuji to climb.

The deal breaker is when you start to believe "god" bequeathed your faith, for you to then, insist that every human one comes into contact with, must follow your lead without question.

Trump, a staunch supporter of Israel

This is where the Donald loses points bigly in my book. A real America first, non-interventionist, would treat Israel the same as any other nation. It should be held to the same standards. But it never is.

It is strange to me that while Trump seeks those who would corrupt the system from within, illegal immigrants, those who would undermine his agenda, he has yet, as far as I know, to bar those holding dual citizenship from political office. I find this a more important issue than politicians moving into companies that the formally regulated and vice-versa which has been addressed already by the Donald. Politicians with divided loyalties can never put America first and make America great again.

Israeli’s desire is to reframe the discussion and talk about October 7th as if history started then. No. This problem was going on decades before October 7th. But let us put the blame where it belongs—at the feet of the British who double-dealed and created this situation. And why the double dealing? Because of the fetishization of a people whose kingdom was toppled 2,600 years ago. A people who were given the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia to call a homeland to address their diasporic status. A people who chose instead to work to displace the native population that was now living in their former homeland for the last 2,000 years. It is simply not an intellectually defensible position to support. The Donald should not continue this undue fetishization in America with unwavering support of Israel.

TobleroneToday  07:06 am JST

Accept it, you guys, you lost, Trump is the president of the United States and what happens from here is totally beyond your control.

Um. No one's actually trying to deny that.

This talk or defending Israel actions is truly 'hard to define' amongst rational people

Exactly, after they blew up their first hospital or school they should have caught off all weapon/financial support because those are literal war crimes

Big shoutout to a particular subset of far-left doofuses who refused to vote Biden because he was "too soft on Israel". This is what you get now! The proposed eradication of Gaza. Good job!

US has always been "soft on Israel "

Just history.

B'T selem is an Israeli Human Rights group that has yearly reports on Palestinian issues including civilian deaths by the IDF.

Good source and Israeli as well

I understand Egypt and Jordan's apprehension.

Egypt for example didn't build a wall on the border with peaceful Israel.

It did build a wall on the Gaza border.

Hmm. I wonder why?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68375460

I have long argued that the only solution to the "Palestinian" issue would be a return of Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, but both governments unsurprisingly refuse this. - Zaphod

A bit late to that party I'm afraid. Jordan's King Abdullah was assassinated in 1951 by Palestinians for his illegal annexation of the West Bank. I think that sends a pretty clear message about whether the Palestinians consider themselves Palestinian or a vassal of the Hashemite kingdom.

But ultimately whether the governments of the surrounding Arab countries agree to accept refugees or not is not the point. It's the Palestinian's inalienable right to self-determination that matters.

I think that sends a pretty clear message about whether the Palestinians consider themselves Palestinian or a vassal of the Hashemite kingdom.

Around 750,000 Arabs from the Palestinian territories decided to become citizens of Jordan in 1948.

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2023/11/jordans-redline-on-admitting-palestinians-is-unlikely-to-change?lang=en

Around 750,000 Arabs from the Palestinian territories decided to become citizens of Jordan in 1948. - iknowall

You're confusing facts. 750,000 was the estimated number of Palestinians that either fled or were expelled by Israel in 1948. i.e. the Nakba.

Most ended up in Gaza and the West Bank with others ending up in surrounding Arab states. The UN partition plan proposed the creation of 2 states with Gaza and the West Bank constituting the Palestinian state. Jordan negotiated with Israel and Britain for the annexation of the West Bank excluding the Palestinians themselves.

Palestinian refugees who ended up in the illegally annexed Jordanian controlled West Bank did not become Jordanian citizens.