The Trump administration has transferred hundreds of immigrants to El Salvador even as a federal judge issued an order temporarily barring the deportations under an 18th century wartime declaration targeting Venezuelan gang members, officials said Sunday. Flights were in the air at the time of the ruling.
U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg issued an order Saturday temporarily blocking the deportations, but lawyers told him there were already two planes with immigrants in the air — one headed for El Salvador, the other for Honduras. Boasberg verbally ordered the planes be turned around, but they apparently were not and he did not include the directive in his written order.
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt, in a statement Sunday, responded to speculation about whether the administration was flouting court orders: “The administration did not ‘refuse to comply’ with a court order. The order, which had no lawful basis, was issued after terrorist TdA aliens had already been removed from U.S. territory.”
The acronym refers to the Tren de Aragua gang, which Trump targeted in his unusual proclamation that was released Saturday
In a court filing Sunday, the Department of Justice, which has appealed Boasberg's decision, said it would not use the Trump proclamation he blocked for further deportations if his decision is not overturned.
Trump's allies were gleeful over the results.
“Oopsie…Too late,” Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, who agreed to house about 300 immigrants for a year at a cost of $6 million in his country’s prisons, wrote on the social media site X above an article about Boasberg’s ruling. That post was recirculated by White House communications director Steven Cheung.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who negotiated an earlier deal with Bukele to house immigrants, posted on the site: “We sent over 250 alien enemy members of Tren de Aragua which El Salvador has agreed to hold in their very good jails at a fair price that will also save our taxpayer dollars.”
Steve Vladeck, a professor at the Georgetown University Law Center, said that Boasberg's verbal directive to turn around the planes was not technically part of his final order but that the Trump administration clearly violated the “spirit” of it.
“This just incentivizes future courts to be hyper specific in their orders and not give the government any wiggle room,” Vladeck said.
The immigrants were deported after Trump’s declaration of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which has been used only three times in U.S. history.
The law, invoked during the War of 1812 and World Wars I and II, requires a president to declare the United States is at war, giving him extraordinary powers to detain or remove foreigners who otherwise would have protections under immigration or criminal laws. It was last used to justify the detention of Japanese-American civilians during World War II.
Venezuela’s government in a statement Sunday rejected the use of Trump’s declaration of the law, characterizing it as evocative of “the darkest episodes in human history, from slavery to the horror of the Nazi concentration camps.”
Tren de Aragua originated in an infamously lawless prison in the central state of Aragua and accompanied an exodus of millions of Venezuelans, the overwhelming majority of whom were seeking better living conditions after their nation’s economy came undone during the past decade. Trump seized on the gang during his campaign to paint misleading pictures of communities that he contended were “taken over” by what were actually a handful of lawbreakers.
The Trump administration has not identified the immigrants deported, provided any evidence they are in fact members of Tren de Aragua or that they committed any crimes in the United States. It also sent two top members of the Salvadoran MS-13 gang to El Salvador who had been arrested in the United States.
Video released by El Salvador’s government Sunday showed men exiting airplanes onto an airport tarmac lined by officers in riot gear. The men, who had their hands and ankles shackled, struggled to walk as officers pushed their heads down to have them bend down at the waist.
The video also showed the men being transported to prison in a large convoy of buses guarded by police and military vehicles and at least one helicopter. The men were shown kneeling on the ground as their heads were shaved before they changed into the prison’s all-white uniform — knee-length shorts, T-shirt, socks and rubber clogs — and placed in cells.
The immigrants were taken to the notorious CECOT facility, the centerpiece of Bukele's push to pacify his once violence-wracked country through tough police measures and limits on basic rights
The Trump administration said the president actually signed the proclamation contending Tren de Aragua was invading the United States on Friday night but didn't announce it until Saturday afternoon. Immigration lawyers said that, late Friday, they noticed Venezuelans who otherwise couldn't be deported under immigration law being moved to Texas for deportation flights. They began to file lawsuits to halt the transfers.
“Basically any Venezuelan citizen in the U.S. may be removed on pretext of belonging to Tren de Aragua, with no chance at defense,” Adam Isacson of the Washington Office for Latin America, a human rights group, warned on X.
The litigation that led to the hold on deportations was filed on behalf of five Venezuelans held in Texas who lawyers said were concerned they'd be falsely accused of being members of the gang. Once the act is invoked, they warned, Trump could simply declare anyone a Tren de Aragua member and remove them from the country.
Boasberg barred those Venezuelans' deportations Saturday morning when the suit was filed, but only broadened it to all people in federal custody who could be targeted by the act after his afternoon hearing. He noted that the law has never before been used outside of a congressionally declared war and that plaintiffs may successfully argue Trump exceeded his legal authority in invoking it.
The bar on deportations stands for up to 14 days and the immigrants will remain in federal custody during that time. Boasberg has scheduled a hearing Friday to hear additional arguments in the case.
He said he had to act because the immigrants whose deportations may actually violate the U.S. Constitution deserved a chance to have their pleas heard in court.
“Once they’re out of the country," Boasberg said, "there’s little I could do."
© AP
125 Comments
TaiwanIsNotChina
Time for that judge to start hauling in Trump Administration minions to be treated like Tren de Aragua.
I'veSeenFootage
This should scare absolutely everyone. Deporting gang members is a good thing, but seeing its gigantic overall incompetence, I don't trust the Trump administration with identifying gang members at all.
Underworld
I think they are pushing the justice's patience. Next time and somebody is going to have to pay the price.
TaiwanIsNotChina
No this time. This isn't Congress where you can pick and choose what orders to obey.
Peter Neil
i don’t have any heartburn about deporting gang member illegal aliens.
what i do have a problem with is border enforcement abusing people with legal visas and green cards being detained in shackles, thrown into detention, strip searched, thrown naked into showers and requiring hospitalization when they did nothing illegal or wrong.
yes, search for yourself.
deanzaZZR
Wait, we are at war? Someone should notify Congress.
bass4funk
Great!
Underworld
And here I thought that the detention of Japanese-American civilians during World War II was a human rights stain on the US.
Underworld
So no evidence, no trial, no crimes. Is this what the US has become? A banana republic?
yakyak
Why, what is your reasoning behind that comment?
Blacklabel
I like this guy!
Geeter Mckluskie
No visa, no citizenship...entering the USA without legal permission is a crime
How do you like those bananas?
The_Beagle
The president is the head of the executive branch. Any random activist district judge had no jurisdiction to take the presidency into their own little hands.
WoodyLee
"" U.S. District Judge James E Boasberg issued an order Saturday blocking the deportations but lawyers told him there were already two planes with immigrants in the air — one headed for El Salvador, the other for Honduras. ""
Well may Judge Boasberg would like to take these gangster to his City and keep them.
Well dome Mr. Pres. return these gangster to where they came from.
WoodyLee
At least they get a clean shirt, shorts and a pair of sneakers plus 3 full meals a day rather than living on the streets in U.S. cities terrorizing everyone.
Bob Fosse
The presidency is already in little hands, tiny ones.
This makes it simple, bullet points.
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/three-branches/what-president-can-do-cannot-do
Ah_so
The judge had jurisdiction - that's why it was followed other than the flights that were already in the air.
WoodyLee
El Salvador streets are now almost gangs free, people feel safer than they have ever been since President Nayib Bukele took office, over 64,000 gang members are now in training and rehab centers and off the streets.
It's working and the people of El Salvador are feeling so much better about the future of their nation after they lost hope.
The U.S. and others should follow this example and clean up there cities.
dbsaiya
MAGA would only say that the ends justify the means - so much for the rule of law. What would the GOP and trump say if Obama did this? Exactly.
Blacklabel
we would congratulate him for deporting violent illegal aliens from our country.
WoodyLee
Watch this Vid. by the W Post about how El Salvador handled it's gangs problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTd_HbUhnXs
Bob Fosse
Maga looking at El Salvador as a role model. Heh.
WoodyLee
This is how El Salvador did it, and how these deportees will be treated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtLiQnXC7sQ
kurisupisu
The article’s journalists are using terms incorrectly.
It’s an offence to enter and stay illegally in the US.
These are not ‘immigrants’ but criminals!
Wasabi
The new US: lawless country and ex-"leader" of the free world. What a great again country you have.
JeffLee
Did they originally enter the US legally or illegally? That is the key question but one that liberal media agencies like AP refuse to address. If they sneaked into the country without immigration authorities’ approval, then deport them. That’s what all countries, except Western ones, do. If they have their green cards, passports, etc. then don’t deport them.
Most of us live in Japan as non-Japanese citizens, right? We know the score. Let’s not be hypocrites.
WoodyLee
Keep it going Mr. Pres.
Geeter Mckluskie
Under U.S. law, illegal entry, as defined by 8 U.S.C. § 1325, is a crime, punishable by fines and imprisonment, with harsher penalties for subsequent offenses and for illegal re-entry.
The Rule of Law
Geeter Mckluskie
Under U.S. law, illegal entry, as defined by 8 U.S.C. § 1325, is a crime, punishable by fines and imprisonment, with harsher penalties for subsequent offenses and for illegal re-entry.
lincolnman
"Courts? We don't need no stickin' courts"....
Triple D showing us all he thinks he's a King - King Donald the First...and Last...
Start the impeachment for violating the Constitution now!
Geeter Mckluskie
Have a look at the reduction in gang violence in El Salvador...
A good model to follow
Underworld
Geeter Mckluskie
So no evidence, no trial, no crimes. Is this what the US has become? A banana republic?
No evidence that they have no visa or citizenship.
Banana republic.
Blacklabel
How would this be proven to your satisfaction?
Underworld
The_Beagle
The presidency doesn't have the jurisdiction to take the power of a judge into their hands.
socrateos
The dictatorship has begun.
Underworld
Blacklabel
No evidence that they have no visa or citizenship.
How about not invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
How about a trial.
Blacklabel
Ok so how would this evidence that someone is not a citizen be shown publicly to your personal satisfaction?
Bob Fosse
Remember when maga used to be keen on the whole ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing?
Underworld
Blacklabel
A trial is held and a judge decides.
Easy.
WoodyLee
Watch this interview by Tucker Carlson with El Salvador Pres. about gangs and the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5n8R9lq8SI
owzer
This news sparks joy!
Ken
Who was being terrorized? The racists who don't like immigrants wouldn't have hesitated to speak up if they were scared. And the same people who LIED that house pets were being eaten aren't credible sources for anything cause all they do is lie to attempt to sway the public
owzer
They entered the country illegally. That is a crime.
Paul Novax
Making America safer by ridding it of dangerous gang members illegally in the US.
Nothing wrong with that.
There's a different legal standard applied in these cases.
I'veSeenFootage
Hard no. Don't like russian assets.
Blacklabel
the citizens in the apartment complex they took over in Colorado.
GuruMick
Woody...gang culture doesnt spring up like mushrooms after rain.
A history of destabilisation by the US, a long period of lawlessness and zero opportunity PLUS the shifting to land , not sea routes by cartels taking coke to USA.
lincolnman
That's got to be a joke, right? Comrade Carlson? ROFL...
Like those that overstay their student visas...a crime....illegal...deport them...right?
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/elon-musk-worked-illegally-us
But not the violent MAGA mob that took over the Capitol and put 400 police officers in the hospital on Jan 6th and caused millions in damage...
proxy
"Immigrants." Sure, sure. Violent gang members,
Blacklabel
ok and how do you personally confirm the results of the trial? Is it announced to your favorite liberal media that (insert name) is not a citizen? Repeat for 11-20 million illegals one by one?
then how do you know that specific person is the same person on the plane? Do we publish the manifest somewhere? Do you need photo ID?
at some point you just have to accept the results of our federal immigration enforcement system. Which has “hearings” (not trials) with “immigration judges”.
You don’t have a visa or citizenship to show? Bye!
Geeter Mckluskie
Not having a visa or proof of citizenship is evidence of not having a visa or proof of citizenship
I'veSeenFootage
Asylum seekers don't have either and are not illegal.
Paul Novax
We're talking gang bangers here; wrong thread.
Blacklabel
US citizens, aren’t they?
Geeter Mckluskie
Asylum seekers enter the country through the port of entry where they APPLY for asylum
These are gang members being deported, not asylum seekers
Mr Kipling
As every country should do the same.
Europe and the UK should also be removing ILLEGAL immigrants.
Ken
Who should lose their citizenship status for attempting to assassinate a Vice President and damaging government property
I'veSeenFootage
This is what the Trump administration is saying, yes. Do you believe them? People who mistakenly fired the people in charge of the nuclear arsenal and then scrambled to hire them back? Because I don't. I want gang members to be deported, but only if we're all sure they are gang members. And there seems to be no due process for that at the moment.
JJE
How did they enter in the first place?
Blacklabel
yet they were all pardoned by a duly elected President. Darn.
US citizens also have free speech and the right to peacefully protest.
nice try though lol
bass4funk
I don’t care and won’t worry about it, I’ll let the DOJ work that out, anyway, the left won’t stop this.
lincolnman
You really have to ask that question?
They were all hired as maides, butlers, groundskeepers, and construction workers at MAL, Bedminster, Westchester, and Trump Tower...
"Sixteen former workers in Costa Rica and other countries who said they and other family members and friends were employed by the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., and that their managers knew they were undocumented."
https://www.axios.com/2019/02/08/trump-organization-illegal-immigrants
Hideyoshi.N
Why this judge wants to stop deportation of gang members to Venezuela and Salvador? Crazy thing.
Bob Fosse
Yeah, none.
ICE are arresting and detaining people living and working legally in the US. Whilst there is a certain schadenfreude in seeing maga voters complain their girlfriend is being deported it’s still not right
Blacklabel
which is confirmed how?
asking them? lol
Underworld
So why do you think that Trump has declared the use of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 if it is all legal?
The US used that act to forcibly intern Japanese during WW2. A dark day is US history.
If it were legal, then why not follow the existing laws to deal with illegal immigrants?
Geeter Mckluskie
Yes, I believe they have no proof of American citizenship nor a visa.
If they had, they wouldn’t have been deported
I'veSeenFootage
By doing normal law enforcement work. Or communicating with law enforcement who have done prior basic investigations. What a profoundly dumb question. Even for you.
JJE
Considering it's a fairly contested province of mainland China, this is appropriate. Much like HK and Macau.
Geeter Mckluskie
Do you imagine that Trump is hands on in hiring each and every one of his 25,000 employees?
Mr Kipling
One in four sex crimes in the UK is committed by an immigrant. Yet after conviction most are allowed to stay.
Whose rights are important?
Blacklabel
Any proof this has not been done? No, right?
I'veSeenFootage
The question was: "Do you believe they are gang members?"
Blacklabel
such as the Alien Enemies Act of 1798?
I'veSeenFootage
"The Trump administration has not identified the immigrants deported, provided any evidence they are in fact members of Tren de Aragua or that they committed any crimes in the United States. "
The burden of proof is on you.
Blacklabel
not really.
as your dear friends are all gone to El Salvador now, can go visit them if you want.
lincolnman
No, he's why too far gone into Alzheimer's for that....He just tells his flunkies to go hire more illegals...
Or maybe he does know because one was his personal maid....
"President Donald Trump will almost certainly bring up the issue of illegal immigration during his State of the Union address on Tuesday. When he does, Victorina Morales, a former employee, will be in the audience watching. The 45-year-old immigrant from Guatemala worked for more than five years as a housekeeper at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. She is also undocumented. Morales washed Trump’s clothes, made his bed, and scrubbed toilets at the private villa where he stays. She continued working there even after he won the presidency and he ramped up his rhetoric about immigrants like her, blaming them for rampant crime, job losses, and a host of other social problems."
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18207096/victorina-morales-undocumented-immigrant-trump
As one of your MAGA cohorts would say "BINGO!"....
Underworld
Blacklabel
then why not follow the existing laws
That's not an existing law. It has only been invoked during wartime, and even then been highly criticized.
But if you are OK with your human rights being flushed down the toilet...
bass4funk
I do
Fos
To put it with the Political Analyst and Columbia University Professor Jeffrey Sachs: ‘The United States are the most lawless and dangerous country in the world by far’
lincolnman
Nothing better shows the utter hypocrisy and double-talk of our MAGA friends than this...
They want all these Latin American undocumented aliens deported as they are labeled as "gang members" and a threat...
Yet MAGA hero Elon Musk used a student visa to enter the US, then failed to take any classes and worked on his first software app...then when his student visa ended, he still stayed in the US working - a clear ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT...
More to the point, he now goes around giving "Heil" salutes and denying the Holocaust...but he's not a threat to democracy?
MAGA-world - We're hypocrites and we like it...
zulander
very strange obfuscation, all you need is a "handful" to take over some communities if those communities dont or cant stand up to them
Geeter Mckluskie
Thanks for outlining a maid’s duties
How many Hispanic people live in Florida? It’s hardly surprising that one would end up in Trump’s’ employ now is it?
That she was an illegal alien highlights the issue of how ingrained undocumented workers are.
zulander
isnt it made easier by the fact that many have their own logo stamped somewhere on their body?
lincolnman
You mean TRUMP'S MAID'S duties...
One? LMAO...do a little research before posting...
Ingrained as employees at all of Trump's properties...
Just admit it, you got played...
virusrex
It should but in practical terms skipping the courts means that anything can be just misrepresented as a gang logo and the accused will simply have no chance to demonstrate this is false.
https://bsky.app/profile/l-toczylowski.bsky.social/post/3lkhpf77fz22a
The whole point of skipping the courts is to carry out the sentence even when fully aware the accused is not guilty of the crime.
Paul Novax
I'm not the one affiliated with a gang now labeled as a terrorist organization and being deported, so my human rights are alive and well.
In fact, my human rights are strengthened now that these terrorists are being removed from my community.
Isn't democracy great?
virusrex
The part where the human rights is important is when you are accused of being in a gang and you are given due process so you can demonstrate the accusation is false.
Without human rights the simple accusation is enough to put people on a plane elsewhere. Pretending this is correct or desirable only weakens your (and everybody's') rights.
Underworld
Paul Novax
But if you are OK with your human rights being flushed down the toilet...
How do you know that these people are?
What's stopping you getting picked up mistakenly as member of the gang?
Isn't authoritarianism great?
Blacklabel
All this unproven rhetoric of supposedly “skipping the courts” and just “deciding these wonderful asylum seeking people are instead gang members”.
did that really happen?
proof?
Geeter Mckluskie
Identification...driver's license, birth certificate, visa...
Geeter Mckluskie
Do you need a passport to enter Japan?
Isn't authoritarianism great!!!
lincolnman
A few days ago our MAGA-friends were chiding us because we pointed out Trump failed to keep his promises to "end the war in 24 hours" and "immediately bring down prices on Day #1"....they said we were taking Trump "too literally"....and that may be true...
When Trump said "I'll protect the unborn" we shouldn't have taken that literally because he then flip-flopped and said he was OK with killing babies until the 15th week...
Then when he said RFK Jr was a "Dem Plant" and the "world's biggest liberal lunatic" - we shouldn't have believed that either because now he's Trump's HHS Secretary...
Then there's that warning that EVs are a "hoax" and a "scam" - but now he thinks they're great and owns one...
I guess there's only one of Trump's declarations that we KNOW we can believe - because it backed up by his actions....and a court victory...
"I just grab 'em by the #$%^&"....
zulander
said client to "seek asylum", like many gang members claimed to do. Again absence of evidence of said "benign" tattoos.
Blacklabel
I can answer too: nothing, really.
but I have proof of citizenship that stops me from getting deported.
These others have nothing to show, so they now reside in El Salvador.
Nibek32
Trump can’t go 1 day without breaking the law. Typical FELON.
Geeter Mckluskie
Yes...and if there were some that weren't...they had no documents to prove they were in the US legally. I have documents to prove I'm in Japan legally...do you?
virusrex
When people are not given the right to present those documents then your argument completely fails, that is the whole point of getting people into court, so they can have a chance or arguing and presenting them instead of everything being done at the sole consideration of an agent that says you did not present anything so on the plane you go.
Paul Novax
They're the ones being deported legally.
US law governs in this case; not an imaginary set of "human rights".
Wrong.
That legal standard does not apply to the case at hand.
Spot on.
ohara
Excellent! A real president!
virusrex
Without due process, meaning nobody do know, and against a court order, which means it is done illegaly.
US law is in accordance to human rights, they are not independent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_States
The Federal Government has, through a ratified constitution, guaranteed unalienable rights to its citizens and (to some degree) non-citizens.
Trying to say that the law is independent of human rights only evidence lack of knowledge about them.
The US constitution says it does, lawyers say it does, nameless people on the internet saying otherwise are not exactly an argument for the contrary.
Still a false accusation, easily proved the moment you can't provide a link where this can be proved.
Geeter Mckluskie
Just concede that illegal immigrants are ubiquitous in America...or wait...you already have...never mind
Nibek32
A trump appointed judge shut it down because the current situation doesn’t come close to applying for the law trump is invoking. Trump is basically invoking martial law so he can run his dicktatorship without the confines of the constitution or rule of law. Putin did the same thing, that’s where trump learned it.
Blacklabel
This is what we voted for: violent, illegal criminal gangs-OUT.
If you are American citizen and don’t like it? choose a better candidate and vote harder.
Blacklabel
so they were….deported?
Geeter Mckluskie
I'll pass on taking my cues from a professor who lacks the most rudimentary knowledge of English grammar.
"are the most dangerous country" Dear Lord! Must have been a DEI hire
lincolnman
The facts certainly prove their ubiquitous at all of Trump's properties....because he can pay them less...
Why is this a surprise to you? Trump just threw all you "America-firsters" under the bus when he sided with Elon and Ramaswamy who think US workers are "mediocre" and want to replace them with immigrants who they can pay less...
One MORE example that you got played...
bass4funk
I disagree
He should, these people should not be in n our country illegally, if want to get mad, get mad at the Biden administration for bringing these people in the first place.
Actually, from Obama to be more precise
I'veSeenFootage
Yup, it is. Prove to me that all these 300 people were gang members and I will applaud their deportation. Otherwise I have no trust in the Trump admin to do anything correctly, because of their easily demonstrable gross incompetence.
And as we've established, asylum seekers also don't have documents. So are immigrants who have simply overstayed their visa and have never commited a violent crime. So you think deporting asylum seekers and innocent immigrants to a prison in El Salvador is a good policy for America? I mean I'm sure you do, I just want to confirm how much of a bigot you are.
Geeter Mckluskie
You have to imagine that they weren't given the opportunity to present documents to have THAT argument
Blacklabel
meanwhile:
“Trump ties for highest approval he’s ever had — as more Americans say US is on right track than any time in 20 years: poll”
virusrex
No need to imagine anything, I already provided an example where lawyers with names and credentials demonstrate this is clearly happening, once again nameless people on the internet saying this is a lie are not even remotely comparable as an argument.
Geeter Mckluskie
All of Trump's properties and more...throughout the entire country...i.e. an open door lawless nation concerning immigration
Yes...that's why people hire undocumented immigrants...they can pay them less...isn't that great?! Now, you can have maids, gardeners, fruit pickers and factory workers working at slave wages to keep your homes, gardens and factories running smoothly...China would approve! Ask The Uyghurs
ohara
The progressives are for anything that destroys the USA. It’s a big reason for their fear and hatred of Trump, because Trump is going to save the USA.
Geeter Mckluskie
Have those lawyers with names and credentials presented the authorities with the documentation that proves those people were in the US legally?
Yes? Then they wouldn't have been deported would they?
No?
Then wtf are you on about?
bass4funk
I don’t need to prove anything to you, not my job, I will let DOJ and ICE sort it out.
Then you don’t, most people do.
Again, my answer is the same as the previous one, so no, I don’t have any sympathy whatsoever.
GuruMick
I want posters to form Ice Hockey teams and really get into it.
I'veSeenFootage
Hey, why wouldn't you add the actual numbers of the poll?? Ah yes: because they're still really bad. 47% approval, 51% disapproval.
ohara
El Salvador knos what its getting back and is dealing with them accordingly.
Geeter Mckluskie
My gloves are loose
bass4funk
47%?
Funny when Biden libs were happy but not looking too deep into the polls, they had Trump low and Harris winning, when we called them out, they ensured us it was right….well, anyway, we know just to take what they say seriously.
Bob Fosse
Federal Judges are well within their rights to challenge an executive order.
If you didn’t know that you need to read this
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/three-branches/what-president-can-do-cannot-do
Blacklabel
Democrats? 7% lol
Geeter Mckluskie
The only poll that matters is the nation-wide poll held November 5, 2024
virusrex
So you are accepting that you made a claim by willingly ignoring the evidence already presented, and that you keep doing it just so you can ignore the argument they present?
You understand this means you are also accepting you are discussing from an invalid position and doing it on purpose, right? not exactly something that can lead others to give you any trust, and since your argument against the evidence provided depends completely on trust...
The whole point is that the Trump government is making the accusation the only part needed to sentence the accused, and that they refuse to give any opportunity for the defense to present any kind of evidence and arguments that debunks the accusation, neither the accused or their lawyers are giving their day in court. You are just explaining why this is wrong and why the reasons you are giving as an excuse would obviously not have any relevance.