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The results revealed that female leaders head just 0.8 percent of the 1,643 listed firms on the Tokyo Stock Exchange's top-tier Prime Market, based on investigations of fiscal 2023 financial statements released by the end of August.

The West is hardly better if you look at the real wielders of mega-capital.

And unfortunately it has been shown that more girl bosses will not solve the inherent problems of Late Stage Capitalism and inequality.

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13 out of 1600 that's only 0.8%, that just quite showing the face Japanese society. In many Japanese company, it's rare to see man pouring tea, Japanese consider that female responsibility.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/in-japan-women-in-work-force-still-serving-the-men-tea/

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When 99% of women quit their jobs to raise children it’s easy to know why. If you’re going to make it to that level really you can’t have breaks in your career. It is what it is. I’m very curious how many of these women have children and how many is these women actually worked their way up or had family connections or started the company themselves. Much more info is needed.

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it's rare to see man pouring tea, Japanese consider that female responsibility.

It's not rare anymore. Your article is 2 decades old. Things have changed

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It's not rare anymore. Your article is 2 decades old. Things have changed

Change? Maybe in big cities such as Tokyo or Yokohama, try to go to outskirts area or even rural. You want a newer article, this article slightly new.

https://eastasiaforum.org/2022/06/28/japans-stubborn-gender-inequality-problem/

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You want a newer article, this article slightly new.

This from your newer article:

The tea lady, or ochakumi — once a mainstay of the Japanese workplace — has mostly vanished

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@dagon - "The West is hardly better" Well... there are 31 female CEO's in the S&P 500, which is 6.2%. Also, the Russell 3000 index, 3000 of the largest U.S. Companies, in 2022 there were 196 female CEO's. That works out to 6.5%. Hardly not, "Hardly better". Statistically almost 9 times better than Japan and the numbers continue to rise. Do some research before you compare the "West" to Japan. It took me all of about 5 minutes to find the data.

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@Geeter Mckluskie

Hoping ochakumi is gone in Japan, it's just hoping Japan stop using fax and hanko.

https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/361485

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 Statistically almost 9 times better than Japan and the numbers continue to rise

In Japan women rule the social world. The CEOs of Toyota, Sony or Panasonic are given an allowance set by their wives as though they were a 15 year old boy. While the business and political world in Japan is still very much a patriarchy, the social world is very much a matriarchy. In a recent poll in the Japan Times 1/3 of Japanese high school girls chose "homemaker" as their desired future goal. Japanese women's choices reflect the disparity between the US and Japan in terms of upper management positions. Homemaker does not have the stigma in Japan that it holds among feminists in America. Homemaker is valued as the most crucial role in Japanese society...not CEO

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Mitsuko is a very beautiful lady, looks, brains, and skills...very rare to have all in one.

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These articles are so loaded. So now companies have to appoint CEOs just because they are a woman. Are there inequalities in Japan?…..at all levels not just make and female, but I doubt many would object if they are capable. Those who object should be the target. But this article or many of the articles out there are lazy and just want to sensationalize women vs men, when in reality there are cultural values and differences in Japan and indeed any country that would skew the curve. Not to mention women aren’t suited to all types of jobs and vice versa.

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hard to become CEO when all the men are constantly asking you to bring them tea

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Do you really think a company is going to shot itself in the foot and not hire the best person for the position who is available at that time. Every company wants the best leader for their company and gender is not a concern nor a factor. This could be only a pay issue where a women is offered the position but refuses because of the amount offered is less than the prior contract and are sticking up for equal pay or their own perceived value which they should do.

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When 99% of women quit their jobs to raise children it’s easy to know why

Terribly bad example of mistaken consequences as if they were causes. The reasons why women are forced to quit is the actual reason why.

I’m very curious how many of these women have children and how many is these women actually worked their way up or had family connections or started the company themselves.

So not only are women being discriminated to the point of almost never raising to the same level as men do, but even people will immediately assume negative reasons for those few that rise.

These articles are so loaded. So now companies have to appoint CEOs just because they are a woman

No, that misleading presentation completely assumes women have diminished capabilities so they "have" to be hired instead of men. In reality there is no reason to even think there is a difference of abilities, so the gender gap has no explanation except for discrimination, solving that is obviously an advance.

 but I doubt many would object if they are capable.

Implicitly you are objecting, assuming without any evidence that women are incapable (else why include that "if") and that is why they don't hold these positions even if they would be expected to represent the same proportion of CEOs as in the general population.

when in reality there are cultural values and differences in Japan and indeed any country that would skew the curve. 

Congratulations, you are describing the mechanisms that support the discrimination and that have to be solved, there is no justification to "skew the curve" so the solution is to stop it, if that means also throwing away the "cultural values and differences" so be it.

Not to mention women aren’t suited to all types of jobs and vice versa.

Invalid gender discrimination, and the worst part is that you see it as something so natural that don't even notice you are doing it.

Do you really think a company is going to shot itself in the foot and not hire the best person for the position who is available at that time.

Companies do it all the time, not to count that for many the "best person" is decided by unethical/immoral parameters, such as the person that can perpetuate negative cultures inside the company for the quickest profit for shareholders even if that means sure ruin later for the unfortunates that are left holding the ball.

Every company wants the best leader for their company and gender is not a concern nor a factor. 

Gender IS a factor, pretending is not is only possible when you consider women inferior to men, so their unexplainable lack of top positions becomes "natural", that is not the case.

This could be only a pay issue where a women is offered the position but refuses because of the amount offered is less than the prior contract and are sticking up for equal pay or their own perceived value which they should do.

Completely wrong, when women are systematically ignored for higher positions using the same old excuses (we are going to force you to quit in order to have a family, so why give you any responsibility?) that is enough for it to become a problem worth solving.

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That many snook through?! A committee must be set up to investigate this immediately!

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@dagon - "The West is hardly better" Well... there are 31 female CEO's in the S&P 500, which is 6.2%. Also, the Russell 3000 index, 3000 of the largest U.S. Companies, in 2022 there were 196 female CEO's.

Missing the forest for the trees.

Yes the number of female CEOs is slightly higher but their impact on inequality has been minimal and they are still beholden to the same overwhelmingly male late stage mega capital shareholders.

True for the West and even more true in Japan.

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Hoping ochakumi is gone in Japan, it's just hoping

To pretend ochakumi is still ubiquitous in Japan...is to pretend, regardless of how hard you've searched to prop up your confirmation bias, you are unable to reconcile your imagination with the current reality in Japan.

Japan stop using fax and hanko

Might I suggest something that is also still used in Japan which you might find useful...a calendar

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hard to become CEO when all the men are constantly asking you to bring them tea

Get a calendar...It's 2024, not 1990

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Japanese - both men and women - just do not want females to lead apparently. That has not changed.

You’re going to see the same in the upcoming election in which Takaichi will be refused because she’s a woman.

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not going to happen overnight. it’s a generational change because of less women in the career pipeline long enough to have the experience and track record needed to get to the top.

gender has nothing to do with success or competence once someone reaches the highest level of leadership.

the least likely to reach the top are accountants and lawyers. progressive experience in operational leadership and a circle of influential contacts will get people almost as far as nepotism. :)

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Japan Airlines Co CEO Mitsuko Tottori  Image: REUTERS file

… based on investigations of fiscal 2023 financial statements released by the end of August.

Didn’t Mitsuko Tottori become CEO in fiscal 2024?

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The lack of progress in appointing female CEOs is due partly to the hiring of top officers from outside businesses rather than promoting internally, said Ryusuke Ishii, a manager at the Japan Research Institute.

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So, reading between the lines and having learned that top companies in Japan have boards comprised of members with places in various companies, this is no surprise.

The reality is that the OB network is the barrier that prevents able people from achieving higher positions and not just women.

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The World Economic Forum (WEF) ranked Japan 118th out of 146 countries on gender equality in 2024, but with significant improvement noted in the political empowerment subindex.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/06/12/japan/society/japan-gender-gap/#:~:text=The%20World%20Economic%20Forum%20(WEF,in%20the%20political%20empowerment%20subindex.

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Lets push more women to be full time managers and CEOs

Oh no our birthrate is dropping but why?

Be careful what you wish for.

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Sounds like the women need to do better!

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0.8 percent of the 1,643 listed firms on the Tokyo Stock Exchange's top-tier Prime Market

Wow, that's pathetic. One of Abe's 3 Arrows about empowering women didn't fly very far, did it?

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Virus: "So not only are women being discriminated" This one sentence you have accuse women of stupidity and cowardliness . You actually assume women are to stupid not to recognise discrimination and that women are to scare to take action. You can not discriminate in the work place in today environment whether it man or women there are laws in place against discrimination and severe penalties. Plus you run the risk of alienating your client base.

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Japan faces a notable challenge in closing its gender gap, ranking 73rd out of 190 economies, according to the World Bank’s Women, Business and the Law 2024 report. This report, released just before International Women’s Day, shines a spotlight on the disparities between men and women’s legal rights and protections. Japanese women enjoy only 72.5% of the rights that men do, a stark contrast to the OECD high-income economy average of 84.9%

https://thecuriouseconomist.com/japan-still-struggling-with-wide-gender-gap/

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4 Japanese Laws That Desperately Need To Be Amended For Women

How Outdated Legislation In Japan Could Be Holding Modern Women Back

https://savvytokyo.com/4-japanese-laws-that-desperately-need-to-be-amended-for-women/

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4 Japanese Laws That Desperately Need To Be Amended For Women

The only one of merit in those four is the imperial succession, and thats only relevant if you arent abolishonist.

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Lets push more women to be full time managers and CEOs

Oh no our birthrate is dropping but why?

One of the reasons is people still stuck on the false dichotomy that women can have either a family or a career, but never both. Regressive ways of thinking.

Sounds like the women need to do better!

Sounds like society needs to do better.

This one sentence you have accuse women of stupidity and cowardliness . You actually assume women are to stupid not to recognise discrimination and that women are to scare to take action.

On the contrary, the one that make this insane assumption is you. People of all kinds of capacities are discriminated, there is zero need for people to be stupid or scared to be discriminated against, this idea comes from your own prejudices, that justify the discrimination on women being less than men, so you immediately assume the only reason they could be discriminated is because they deserve to be so. The bravest, most capable people can still be discriminated by those in power. Not to mention that women are one of the loudest voices complaining about the discrimination and doing a lot to correct this situation.

You can not discriminate in the work place in today environment whether it man or women there are laws in place against discrimination and severe penalties. 

There is no way to deny the fact that women are being discriminated in Japan, specially in companies, and no, there are no laws that guarantee equality, specially at high levels of employment. What law do you think the companies are breaking by having only men as CEOs? without that supposed law your argument fall flat.

Plus you run the risk of alienating your client base.

Alienating a base that still is culturally backwards? people that think men are better CEOs? that women should leave work to raise a family? not likely at all. The gender discrimination in companies is still rampant, and that is because it is a reflection of the discrimination happening in society in general.

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I'm very happy leaving the house in the morning and knowing my wife and kid will be together, doing activities, going to classes, jidoukan, tea time with other mothers, do the groceries, shop a little bit, explore somewhere new in Tokyo, when I come back home my wife will be tired, but happy, and not exhausted from work.

Don't let them fool you!

There is nothing as sad as leaving a months old baby with total strangers at a kindergarten because both need to work and call that "life".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrniEJHByV4

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Do you really think a company is going to shot itself in the foot and not hire the best person for the position who is available at that time.

These are the kind of articles that will be only fully understood by people who are actually self-employed, or in a position to decide the fate of a business, or a CEO, etc.

People who've never had to hire someone even for a day to help you out with your work will be fuming in the comments, mumbling confused sentences completely out of touch with reality.

Hire first, make your point later.

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"Only 13 female CEOs among Japan's 1,600 top-listed companies: survey."

In a perfect ideal world the most qualified candidate should get the job regardless what you have between your legs. However, we live in imperfect world.

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There is nothing as sad as leaving a months old baby with total strangers at a kindergarten because both need to work and call that "life".

What has that to do with the article? do you mistakenly believe parents should not take parental leave as appropriate? even worse, that women should be the ones taking care of the children?

There are examples where societies have managed to reduce discrimination and promote healthy living by giving proper leave to parents to raise their children without any need for any to quit their jobs, much less depend on strangers to be with their children. People on those societies can live a fully productive life without sacrificing their families, even when both parents have a career.

In a perfect ideal world the most qualified candidate should get the job regardless what you have between your legs. However, we live in imperfect world.

There are places "in this world" where gender discrimination is no longer such a problem, so it is not an excuse.

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Their country, their rules..

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The Birthrate in Japan apparently needs to increase and giving families generous maternity leave benefits is one way that will help and it will also help women to remain on a career path that will in some cases lead to higher positions within their company if the men in control could only evolve a bit more and stop thinking like stone age cave dwellers.

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The World Economic Forum (WEF) ranked Japan 118th out of 146 countries on gender equality in 2024

The World Economic Forum is not married to a Japanese woman. If they were, they would understand that it is women who reign supreme in the social world in Japan. They control the men...and the children. The men are mules who are tasked with bringing home the bacon like a mule...only to receive an allowance like a 15 year old boy. Guaranteed that none those CEOs is master in his own home. Homemaker is the Queen in Japan. Something those in the WEF are woefully lacking in knowledge about, and is undeniably a huge factor in the experience of daily life.

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The Birthrate in Japan apparently needs to increase 

With all forecast pointing to AI and automation redering 50% of current jobs obsolete within the next 2 decades a reduction in population is prudent at this point in Japan's history. Also, a country's population should never exceed its ability to sustain itself in terms of food production. Japan currently has a sustainability rate of around 40%, meaning in the even of a geo-political conflict in which Japan's shipping lanes would sure to be cut off...Japan would suffer famine within weeks. What Japan needs is a reduction in population and an economic model that doesn't rely on unsustainable population growth...that and a greater focus on agriculture and agricultural sciences.

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Which Japanese women want to do this work and what efforts have they made towards it?

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 If they were, they would understand that it is women who reign supreme in the social world in Japan.

Being in charge of the wallet and the children is not the same as being free of discrimination, specially when they are held responsible for the education of the children while their husbands can easily divert part of their salaries to a different account without the wife being ever informed about it.

Guaranteed that none those CEOs is master in his own home. 

Guaranteed by whom? as in people with names, credentials, authority to make that claim and be held responsible for it.

a reduction in population is prudent at this point in Japan's history

When the reduction comes almost exclusively from the productive segment of the population there is nothing prudent about it. It is not like the reduction will come from people dying as soon as they hit retirement age, but instead from people that simply will not enter the productive segment of the population,

https://www.ipss.go.jp/pp-zenkoku/e/zenkoku_e2017/pp_zenkoku2017e_gaiyou.html

Working age population dropping almost to a half, while the people of post-retirement age do not drop at all (or even increase in proportion) means decades long serious social and economic problems.

Which Japanese women want to do this work and what efforts have they made towards it?

Why do you feel the need to make this question for women, while automatically assuming men made the necessary efforts and deserve the position? For some people gender discrimination is so ingrained and natural that it becomes impossible to realize when they treat women very differently without any actual justification.

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Virus; There is laws against discrimination. You are arguing there is not by stating women are discriminated which is a fallacy. If women were discriminated the courts would be fill with discrimination case. Where are these case. Where is the evidence of actual women discrimination at the work place. There is none or the News would be fill with actual case seeing it such a hot topic. You have no real life experience of this. If you did you would give examples which you have not. You are not in the workforce in Japan and have not been for years and can not give any evidence of discrimination in todays work place. If you have please give us the case number and the company name.

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Virus; There is laws against discrimination

What is the point of just reposting the same comment again and again every time it is deleted by the moderation?

The same response still disprove your claims.

You could not bring the supposed law that punishes companies for discriminating against women as CEOs.

The reports that clearly, unequivocally explain the deep discrimination of women in the Japanese society have not disappeared, they are still there for anybody to read.

You have no idea who other commenters are, nor their "real life experience" much less where anybody here works, so making up imaginary things about other people here is not an argument, is just a baseless accusation.

At this point you are clearly out of any arguments, so you reduce yourself to pretend you know who and what work other people here do and then accuse them of these imaginary things to attack people since you could not do anything about the actual arguments, even if that gets your comments repeatedly deleted for being against the rules of the site.

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Because the Japanese recognize that women are not temperamentally suited to management.

I've worked for male and female managers in fairly equal measure (this is both in the UK and Japan). I've had bad managers of both genders, but the best managers I've had have overwhelmingly been women. Better communication skills, more diplomatic, better at persuading, less ego.

YMMV, but that's my experience.

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It's a question, a logical question in response to the article. If you're threatened by it, it says more about you than me. Something that can't be questioned is a cult, not reality.

Again, is a question that reveals an internalized bias and automatic discrimination against women. If a child brings a new expensive toy, and someone asks him "where did you find it? did you try to see who it belongs to?" it is a "logical question" in response to seeing it, but it is also evidence that the person automatically assumed something negative so felt the need to ask it.

Nobody is threatened by a question, but some people feel threatened when the intention behind those questions are made evident. That is what says something about the person, mostly that the question was not as innocent as they wanted to present originally.

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virusrexToday  12:51 pm JST

Again, is a question that reveals an internalized bias and automatic discrimination against women. If a child brings a new expensive toy, and someone asks him "where did you find it? did you try to see who it belongs to?" it is a "logical question" in response to seeing it, but it is also evidence that the person automatically assumed something negative so felt the need to ask it.

Nobody is threatened by a question, but some people feel threatened when the intention behind those questions are made evident. That is what says something about the person, mostly that the question was not as innocent as they wanted to present originally.

It's your bias. Your assumptions based on your bias. I would say the same about an article talking about men not getting ahead. Who are these men? And what are they doing towards their goals? You don't get handed things for being present in a company, man or woman.

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Because the Japanese recognize that women are not temperamentally suited to management.

How can anybody recognize something that is not true? this makes no sense.

It's your bias. Your assumptions based on your bias

You could not argue against the clear arguments that demonstrate the bias inherent to the question.

 I would say the same about an article talking about men not getting ahead

Ahead of what? other men? because you again assume the ones that get ahead do it because they are better, even with a clear description of discrimination being the cause.

You don't get handed things for being present in a company, man or woman.

But you can get denied things even doing the same work, for gender, race, age, etc. pretending this does not happen is just denial.

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virusrexToday  12:51 pm JST

Again, is a question that reveals an internalized bias and automatic discrimination against women. If a child brings a new expensive toy, and someone asks him "where did you find it? did you try to see who it belongs to?" it is a "logical question" in response to seeing it, but it is also evidence that the person automatically assumed something negative so felt the need to ask it.

Nobody is threatened by a question, but some people feel threatened when the intention behind those questions are made evident. That is what says something about the person, mostly that the question was not as innocent as they wanted to present originally.

Yukiko Uchinaga did it by working her a** off. Why can't other women (or men) who want to get ahead do it?

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virusrexToday  12:51 pm JST

Again, is a question that reveals an internalized bias and automatic discrimination against women. If a child brings a new expensive toy, and someone asks him "where did you find it? did you try to see who it belongs to?" it is a "logical question" in response to seeing it, but it is also evidence that the person automatically assumed something negative so felt the need to ask it.

Nobody is threatened by a question, but some people feel threatened when the intention behind those questions are made evident. That is what says something about the person, mostly that the question was not as innocent as they wanted to present originally.

Yukiko Uchinaga did it by working her a** off. Why can't other women (or men) who want to get ahead do it?

*Yukako

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virusrexToday  12:59 pm JST

You don't get handed things for being present in a company, man or woman.

But you can get denied things even doing the same work, for gender, race, age, etc. pretending this does not happen is just denial.

But you can also get denied things for doing the same work to a lower standard. I've managed people and seen women who do the same work as men but to a higher standard. I've also seen men produce the same work to lower standard than other men. In your example, who is evaluating the work? Because the work is completed doesn't mean the standard is the same or better. Again, it is your bias that's showing, no one else's.

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Yukiko Uchinaga did it by working her a** off. Why can't other women (or men) who want to get ahead do it?

They do, and most don't get ahead thanks to ingrained discriminatory practices. You seem to think that if a woman works 10 times more than men to reach the same position you somehow disproved the gender inequality, it should be obvious that this makes absolutely no sense.

Men and women have the same capacity, if less than 1% of the top positions are occupied by women that obviously means there is a disparity that is not explained by capacity, inside a society clearly and repeatedly described as discriminatory the obvious explanation is yet again the same thing.

And then, even for those that had to work harder to become an exception there will be people that automatically assume something shady about it and will ask "Who did Yukako had to sleep to to get ahead? what? it is just a logical question"

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Being in charge of the wallet and the children is not the same as being free of discrimination,

As noted, the business and political world are undeniably a patriarchy.

The social world is undeniably a matriarchy. The social world, including the courts in matters of custody discriminate against men.

Being in charge of the wallet means women make the major decisions regarding big ticket item purchases, vacations, etc. Ruling the social world means having the last say in the children's education etc.

It also factors into the quality of life...men die sooner in Japan, experience karoshi at a higher rate etc. None of these metrics is considered by the likes of the WEF whose studies fail to account for women's choices.

Guaranteed by whom?

Anyone with a modicum of honesty who has lived in Japan long enough to know

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you can also get denied things for doing the same work to a lower standard

Which again is something that you automatically happens for women, based on nothing but your own bias. You are demonstrating exactly how pervasive is the problem and how those affected think nothing about discriminating women, since in your mind they can only work to a lower standard.

Not having a bias would be to assume men and women can do work of the same quality, but when you automatically assume women are not CEOs because they can only work to a lower standard that is where your personal bias comes out, in your mind the equal ability to do something no longer exist.

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virusrexToday  01:15 pm JST

Which again is something that you automatically happens for women, based on nothing but your own bias. You are demonstrating exactly how pervasive is the problem and how those affected think nothing about discriminating women, since in your mind they can only work to a lower standard.

Not having a bias would be to assume men and women can do work of the same quality, but when you automatically assume women are not CEOs because they can only work to a lower standard that is where your personal bias comes out, in your mind the equal ability to do something no longer exist.

Your main argument being bias shows that you don't actually have an argument. You can accuse anyone of bias - This is the Millenial/Gen Z way of shutting down discussion and saying "I'm right"

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Being in charge of the wallet means women make the major decisions regarding big ticket item purchases, vacations, etc. 

That is not something you have proved, for all you know the man is the one deciding while the woman is left with dealing how that purchase or expense is going to happen with the money she manages. (Which again, can be just a portion of the salary of her husband, since it is easy to set up an extra account for a portion of the salary to be deposited to be controlled exclusively by the husband).

Ruling the social world means having the last say in the children's education etc.

Which is the same situation, managing and ruling are not the same thing. And being automatically left in charge of managing the children no matter what the woman wants to do is definitely not proof of being in charge, but instead of the opposite.

It also factors into the quality of life...men die sooner in Japan, experience karoshi at a higher rate etc.

So being worse in their health/stress management somehow proves it is justified to discriminate women for being better at it?

Anyone with a modicum of honesty who has lived in Japan long enough to know

So nobody then, just a personal claim you tried to pass as if it were fact when actually it is not supported by anybody with any kind of authority on social problems of the country.

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Virus: So Give us a company name that discriminate against women. Anyone one Just one. You could try the Dinosaur party of LDP but it look like women are heading the vote for leadership. Both Kamikawa and Economic Security Minister Sanae Takaichi are looking good as the new leader. So give just one company. Just one to prove to us wrong. Just one virus.

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virusrexToday  01:15 pm JST

Which again is something that you automatically happens for women, based on nothing but your own bias. You are demonstrating exactly how pervasive is the problem and how those affected think nothing about discriminating women, since in your mind they can only work to a lower standard.

Not having a bias would be to assume men and women can do work of the same quality, but when you automatically assume women are not CEOs because they can only work to a lower standard that is where your personal bias comes out, in your mind the equal ability to do something no longer exist.

And to followup: "Bias" is a stupid argument, because when you argue "bias" you're not arguing facts.

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Your main argument being bias shows that you don't actually have an argument.

When it is easy to demonstrate the bias and you give up trying to defend that bias that is a perfectly valid argument that you demonstrate true by choosing not to argue against it.

You can accuse anyone of bias - This is the Millenial/Gen Z way of shutting down discussion and saying "I'm right"

The difficult part (not so much in this case) is to demonstrate that bias with arguments, arguments you implicitly recognize as correct when you no longer address them and instead choose to make personal attacks.

Virus: So Give us a company name that discriminate against women

https://www.gender.go.jp/english_contents/pr_act/pub/status_challenges/index.html

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15189573

https://eastasiaforum.org/2022/06/28/japans-stubborn-gender-inequality-problem/

You understand that making an appeal about how much you ignore a well described problem only makes your own position weaker and easier to defeat right?

This is no new thing that began happening recently, is a well know, well described, well characterized problem with Japanese society, where gender discrimination is rampant and efforts to solve the problem have had only very limited success. By this point pretending not to know this happens is beyond believable, is like being surprised about other forms of sexual discrimination like gropers on the trains.

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It is not like the reduction will come from people dying as soon as they hit retirement age, but instead from people that simply will not enter the productive segment of the population,

With 50% of current jobs being rendered obsolete by automation and AI...those in the "productive segment" will be far less "productive" and rather exacerbate the issue by putting even more strain on the public coffers due to the fact they'll be on unemployment insurance...or UBI

Those in the "unproductive" segment...will most certainly pass on into history.

Japan's population levelling out to a more sustainable number will include tough times in terms of higher taxation...but the alternative of an ever growing population would wrought greater hardship, especially on an archipellago that is 80% non-arable land on which food can't be grown.

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And to followup: "Bias" is a stupid argument, because when you argue "bias" you're not arguing facts.

It was easy to prove your bias, so much that you stopped trying to prove you did not have it. Instead you only made accusations about others without ever arguing to prove those accusations.

When a bias is proved that becomes a fact, it is not an opinion. The arguments are there still for anybody to see.

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If women have a problem with it, why aren't they out protesting in the streets?

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virusrexToday  01:26 pm JST

When it is easy to demonstrate the bias and you give up trying to defend that bias that is a perfectly valid argument that you demonstrate true by choosing not to argue against it.

The difficult part (not so much in this case) is to demonstrate that bias with arguments, arguments you implicitly recognize as correct when you no longer address them and instead choose to make personal attacks.

Over-educated, under-experienced. Got it.

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If women have a problem with it, why aren't they out protesting in the streets?

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220309/p2a/00m/0na/015000c

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210309/p2a/00m/0na/009000c

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Over-educated, under-experienced. Got it.

You see? not arguments, just baseless personal attacks since you can't address the arguments that demonstrate your position depended completely on personal bias, you demonstrate that point much more clearly than anybody could ever explain.

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So being worse in their health/stress management somehow proves it is justified to discriminate women for being better at it?

No, what it means is men have a harder life than women on average in Japan

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Japan's population levelling out to a more sustainable number will include tough times in terms of higher taxation...but the alternative of an ever growing population would wrought greater hardship, especially on an archipellago that is 80% non-arable land on which food can't be grown.

That is where the argument fails, depending on the false dichotomy of either unproductive, chaotic population decrease or else infinite growth as if they were the only two choices available.

Instead the actual solution is about controlled, actually responsible population decrease that do not depend on unproductive people overwhelming the economy. Of course this completely depends on deep social change, including gender equality and full support for families, but politically this seems too expensive for those in charge to do, so instead they make pointless recommendations and give a bit of money now and then.

No, what it means is men have a harder life than women on average in Japan

Once agiain, that is a personal opinion, not a fact. For that you would need someone with names, credentials (and specially data) to prove it. Else, the frequent, logical and well described problem of being bad at administrating their own health and stress is still available.

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Investors don't care whether a company pursues a woke agenda with dei hires. They only care about making a return on their investment. Focus on that, and how the company is run.

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Shameful. Women haven't broken the glass ceiling because they are still in the basement. Huge waste of talent.

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Simple scientific arguments : women have babies and are more suited to take care of babies, hence will always spend less time for work,.

Moreover, they are less resilient when confronted to heavy stress.

CEO have to endure that sometimes, hence the standard logical natural choice would be men.

Such profile for women is rare.

The comments we have above show some differences in the behaviour by the way.

I would not like to be CEO by the way.

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Virus

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15189573 does not refer to a company. It is unproven USA statistics

https://www.gender.go.jp/english_contents/pr_act/pub/status_challenges/index.html Again not a company. another unproven statistics group and the only Japanese yet have not name any company that discriminate against women

https://eastasiaforum.org/2022/06/28/japans-stubborn-gender-inequality-problem Has not name any Japanese companies and write by

Emma Dalton of La Trobe University an Australian University.

So I ask again JUST ONE JAPANESE COMPANY GUILY OF DISCRIMINATION in 2024. Just one.

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About 100 people marched in Tokyo's Shibuya Ward

some 300 people joined this year's rally

@Virusrex So they do it once a year on Women’s Day? And participants are only in the hundreds! It’s going to take a bit more effort than that!

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Virus: we want the real evidence of Japanese company guilt of women discrimination in. 2024. that should be so easy but you can come up with JUST ONE.

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No, what it means is men have a harder life than women on average in Japan

Once agiain, that is a personal opinion, not a fact.

The fact is men commit suicide at a higher rate, die from karoshi at a higher rate, experience homelessness at a higher rate and lose their children in custody battles at a higher rate than women.

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JDoe, so what was the result. The discriminator got the sack. It shows that the present discrimination laws work.

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Once agiain, that is a personal opinion, not a fact.

Men are also disporportionately represented in 3K jobs...kitsui...kiken...kitanai....all of which means they endure a hard life at a higher rate than women...this is not an opinion but a hard fact of life for me

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Simple scientific arguments : women have babies and are more suited to take care of babies, hence will always spend less time for work,.

And as usual, there is alwas a simple argument that ends up being wrong. There is nothing about women that would make them more suited (in a human society sense) to raise children, that is a prejudice, an idea that you believe and therefore becomes a fact in your mind. Men are perfectly capable of rising children the same as women are perfectly capable of becoming CEOs, believing otherwise is not proof of this happening (and it is not scientific at all, that requires the use of the scientific method, which should be clear in a scientific report supporting that conclusion).

Moreover, they are less resilient when confronted to heavy stress.

According to Geeter is the opposite, since he says men die more of overworking. Again, do you have any actual scientific report to support this personal beleif? if not, that is not an argument.

@Virusrex So they do it once a year on Women’s Day? And participants are only in the hundreds! It’s going to take a bit more effort than that!

You implied nobody did anything as a supposed argument of this not being a problem, good to see you recognize your assumption was wrong and there is a problem and people protest against it.

The fact is men commit suicide at a higher rate, die from karoshi at a higher rate, experience homelessness at a higher rate and lose their children in custody battles at a higher rate than women.

Which still can be explained by poorer health and stress management, what you need to prove your point is not that happens more to men, but demonstrate this is not something that is explained by lame self administration skills. Evading this burden of proof would clearly indicate you now understand this is the actual explanation.

日本人は女性が気質的に管理職に向いていないと認識しているからだ

Still a baseless personal idea that you have not supported with any source.

does not refer to a company. It is unproven USA statistics*

Wait, so your new argument is that a social problem that is well described in Japan magically stops happening only in the case of companies, and that somehow women are treated equally, even when less than 1% of the top positions are represented by women?

You are making less and less sense now, the same as when you argued there are laws that would supposedly punish companies for discriminating again women in high positions, only to implicitly recognize there are no such laws since you could not present any.

The problem exist, even if you are in complete denial, and it is evidenced by the unexplained absence of women in high positions in politics and in companies. That there is no infringement of an imaginary law that actually does not exist don't prove this is not happening, it only helps proving your argument is based on a false premise.

To be very clear, you have not produced any law that would punish a company for gene discriminating in the election of their CEOs, so not finding any cases where a company is punished because of that law means there is no such thing, just a mistaken idea you had. Gender discrimination on the Japanese society (without exceptions for high positions in companies described) is something well known and reported, clearly refuting your position.

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@Geeter McCluskie Plus Japanese women have a longer lifespan!

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*men

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Which still can be explained by poorer health and stress management

More stress to manage, means the likelihood of poorer health. The data is conclusive. Men work longer hours, men are disproportionately represented in 3K jobs etc. Your being delibrately obtuse regarding these indisputable facts doesn't change that one iota.

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Again Virus show just one company

One company punished for an imaginary law that you made up that supposedly makes it wrong to discriminate the gender of their CEOs?

Again, you understand that making up an imaginary law and nobody being able to find it being used only helps proving this law you base your whole argument simply does not exists, right?

 You can not call a company guilty of discriminate unless proven in court of female discrimination.

Yes you can when confronted with evidence of discrimination, even if it does not infringe on a law that only exists in your imagination. There is a disproportionate rate of CEOs and this article clearly proves it, without any actual reason the explanation that remains available is gender inequality, the burden of proof is yours to explain this inequality with other reasons.

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More stress to manage, means the likelihood of poorer health

And less ability to manage the stress also means poorer health, you still have done nothing to disprove this perfectly valid explanation, so the only option you have is to accept it explains the situation without provblems.

men are disproportionately represented in 3K jobs etc

Because of lack of skills to do better jobs? and somehow this is justification to discriminate women?

Again, you like very much to make unfounded assumptions and then pretend they are fact. There is nothing obtuse with presenting valid reasons to explain something that you were not able to think on your own. It was very easy to dispute (and disprove) your claims, so much that you gave up trying to prove them and instead just repeat them.

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Still a baseless personal idea that you have not supported with any source.

"Women's working hours underscore gender disparity in Japan

Burden of overtime and job transfers dissuade women from full-time employment"

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Datawatch/Women-s-working-hours-underscore-gender-disparity-in-Japan

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You guys are hilarious.

Women belong - wherever the hell they want.

Force more women to become CEOs is not going to better or solve any problem.

Most people here have absolutely no idea what it is to be President of a company.

Getting outraged about very few women in the profession is the same as going nuts over demolition companies not hiring enough women, get a grip!

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A major reason behind this is likely that there are fewer women than men that would want to be a CEO.

Just like there are fewer men than women that want to work in a day care; the reason why day cares have many more women than men is not that men are discriminated against.

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Raw BeerToday  06:22 pm JST

A major reason behind this is likely that there are fewer women than men that would want to be a CEO.

Just like there are fewer men than women that want to work in a day care; the reason why day cares have many more women than men is not that men are discriminated against.

Well said. Sadly, the ideological peeps are not swayed by logic and reality.

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Raw beer and Big : The number of female board members exceeded 3,000, doubling from fiscal 2019, The deproportionation of women CEO's could be that women prefer a position on the board instead of CEO, was this work into the equation. No I doubt.

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John-SanToday  06:39 pm JST

...was this work into the equation. No I doubt.

Never is. The stats are cherry-picked to get the results they want to present. None of these people is ever going to report "...actually we had a good look at the stats and considered all contributing factors and it turns out it's nuanced." Doesn't make a good headline.

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